Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 44

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Yeah, you've got to love how Goodell was all about making it 2 exhibitions and 18 regular season games, and there was no screaming about those two lost exhibitions. Now, all of the sudden, losing those games could be the downfall of the NFL and civilization as we know it.

Exactly.

**Dave Lane** · 07-22-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Actually, you do not.

As the Wall Street Journal and a whole lot of lawyers elsewhere have explained, the players cant rush into reforming and signing in a day or two, or some random player could whine in court and get the deal tossed later.

The NFL did not do their legal homework and created a mess. The players need to take their time to at least create the appearance that they are carefully considering the CBA and the possibility of re-forming the union. If they rush it, the courts or the NLRB could interfere later.

Stop making sense! God damn it Al this is not allowed on this board!!

**DeezNutz** · 07-22-2011, 03:07 PM

It's "o noes, we want our $400M!!" Or is it $800M?

Titty Meat · 07-22-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Exactly.

Thing is if they miss a few pre season games that lowers the overall pot and the owners can go back on the deal.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 03:10 PM

mortreportChris Mortensen

Here is 25-page PDF summary pending agreement NFLPA reviewed with player reps Wednesday, pre-owners `final' document: http://es.pn/nNutZK

Someone read it lol let me know whats in it

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 03:12 PM

PriscoCBSPete Prisco

Amazing thing: I asked a player what the mechanism is for voting on a CBA. He didn't know. Do any players know?

THIS IS YOUR NFLPA HARD AT WORK

Just Passin' By · 07-22-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Thing is if they miss a few pre season games that lowers the overall pot and the owners can go back on the deal.

You think owners are going to re-open a 10 year deal over 1-2 lost exhibition weeks after they put in an owner/owner revenue plan?

The players would bend the owners over a barrel, because Kessler would argue that the revenue agreement serves as a tacit admission that the players side of the revenue stream wasn't the problem with the last CBA, and the players would be looking to bump their percentage back over 50%.

Titty Meat · 07-22-2011, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You think owners are going to re-open a 10 year deal over 1-2 lost exhibition weeks after they put in an owner/owner revenue plan?

The players would bend the owners over a barrel, because Kessler would argue that the revenue agreement serves as a tacit admission that the players side of the revenue stream wasn't the problem with the last CBA, and the players would be looking to bump their percentage back over 50%.

How many millions will they lose off 2 games? If you don't think it's problematic you're very naive.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Thing is if they miss a few pre season games that lowers the overall pot and the owners can go back on the deal.

The owners would be ****ing stupid to do that, and risk missing even more games - possibly games that actually count.

We're talking about potentially missing 1 or 2 PS games over a 10 year CBA - an agreement that is estimated at $150 BILLION dollars in revenue over its life.

Missing a PS game or two is not the end of the world for anyone involved.

**BossChief** · 07-22-2011, 03:16 PM

Even after a full offseason, OTAs, camp and preseason, teams are rusty in the first couple weeks.

How bad is it gonna be without anything but a few practices and then the games start?

If that happens, the record for games lost to injury will break in 2011.

Especially with all of the new rules in effect regarding player safety.

It's not the end of the world, but it could put a record number of players on the pup, ir and other injury lists.

The longer this goes, the more that becomes relevant.

Titty Meat · 07-22-2011, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The owners would be ****ing stupid to do that, and risk missing even more games - possibly games that actually count.

We're talking about potentially missing 1 or 2 PS games over a 10 year CBA - an agreement that is estimated at $150 BILLION dollars in revenue over its life.

Missing a PS game or two is not the end of the world for anyone involved.

It's been reported the more games missed the more would be taken out of the pie. I'm not making this shit up yo.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2011, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

It's been reported the more games missed the more would be taken out of the pie. I'm not making this shit up yo.

It's also been reported that [insert shitty reporting here]

The media is ****ing this up as much as the players and owners are.

keg in kc · 07-22-2011, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The media is ****ing this up as much as the players and owners are.

No.

They're ****ing it up much, much more.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2011, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

No.

They're ****ing it up much, much more.

Dammit, Keg - I was trying to be nice.

**BossChief** · 07-22-2011, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's also been reported that [insert shitty reporting here]

The media is ****ing this up as much as the players and owners are.

there can be no argument to that.

It's one big ole cluster**** from all sides IMO.

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2093063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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07-22-2011, 03:10 PM	#650
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07-22-2011, 03:12 PM	#651
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1266009	PriscoCBSPete Prisco Amazing thing: I asked a player what the mechanism is for voting on a CBA. He didn't know. Do any players know? THIS IS YOUR NFLPA HARD AT WORK
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07-22-2011, 03:16 PM	#655
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