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Old 01-14-2013, 01:31 PM  
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:48 PM   #646
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Just because he's "mocked" at #1 overall doesn't mean that he's going to be a great NFL QB.
No, it certainly doesn't.

But when 95% of all of the mocks out there have Geno going #1 overall, it pretty much drops napalm on the idea that "everybody outside of CP believes" he isn't worth the #1 overall pick.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:48 PM   #647
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My quoted part starts at 8:41.

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Old 01-14-2013, 05:49 PM   #648
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Again, it's a myth.

Scott Wright thinks Geno goes #1 overall. Dan Shonka has Geno the #1 rated player on his board, regardless of position or team draft needs.

The consensus exists EVERYWHERE.

There's more people that believe Geno has elite potential than there are people who don't.

It's just that the people who think he doesn't are much better EXPOSED.
It's a consensus based on the value of a quarterback. There's not a consensus that says he's the next great NFL QB.

That's a big difference.

And furthermore, most of those people are internet hacks like Walter and the douche****s at Bleacher Report. I wouldn't believe anything those guys write because they're morons.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:49 PM   #649
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I have never seen so many uneducated college football fans state that Geno is amazing. I'm not talking about you in particular, I'm talking about the Geno Smith bandwagon or minions.

Now, he very well may be, even though the two games I saw, he was far less than impressive.

But it's just shocking to me that there is SUCH a consensus on Chiefsplanet, yet every other reporter, draft scout, etc. and so, is hesitant to share that assessment.
would you say he isn't as good as McNabb was when Philly drafted him?

I know McNabb has more collegiate wins, but he was a big time runner during college -- scored a lot with his feet.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:50 PM   #650
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But if we want a QB in the draft, wouldn't you want the perceived best one? If it is such a poor draft class for QB's, why would we wait until the 2nd round for the left overs? It isn't like this FA class of QB's is that great. Then you would be expecting us to have to trade or pick-up the Matt Flynn's, Josh Freeman's, Michael Vick's, etc. of the world.
This. ****ing this.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:50 PM   #651
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It's a consensus based on the value of a quarterback. There's not a consensus that says he's the next great NFL QB.

That's a big difference.
This whole discussion started, as it almost always does, about whether or not he's worth the #1 overall pick.

This isn't about whether or not he's going to be great.

This is about whether or not taking Geno Smith is good "value".

I absolutely agree with you. But what you say here and what we're actually talking about are 2 different things.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:50 PM   #652
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Just because he's "mocked" at #1 overall doesn't mean that he's going to be a great NFL QB.

He could be the best of a bunch of shitty QB's. He could be a game manager. Or he could become a great QB.

But this draft class has more questions than any in recent memory.
This is what I was getting at earlier in the thread. I think it's a product of people wanting him to be elite (and some who are just feeding into the Geno Smith clique on CP) rather than actually feeling like he is an elite prospect for sure.

But lo and behold, if you question any aspect of somebody's unhealthy obsession with Geno Smith, you will be labeled as someone who wants a late round pick at QB.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:51 PM   #653
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I heard exactly what I heard.
So where did he say this, "Clark said, unequivocally, that there IS NOT A QUARTERBACK WORTH THE FIRST PICK IN THIS DRAFT."
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:51 PM   #654
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This. ****ing this.
Who suggested that? Just out of curiosity.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:52 PM   #655
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It's a consensus based on the value of a quarterback. There's not a consensus that says he's the next great NFL QB.

That's a big difference.

And furthermore, most of those people are internet hacks like Walter and the douche****s at Bleacher Report. I wouldn't believe anything those guys write because they're morons.
Rob Rang likes him. Scott Wright likes him.

Why do Mel Kiper and Todd McShay carry more weight just because they're on ESPN? I GUARANTEE you Scott Wright does more homework on these guys than Kiper does.
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This is what I was getting at earlier in the thread. I think it's a product of people wanting him to be elite (and some who are just feeding into the Geno Smith clique on CP) rather than actually feeling like he is an elite prospect for sure.

But lo and behold, if you question any aspect of somebody's unhealthy obsession with Geno Smith, you will be labeled as someone who wants a late round pick at QB.
Nonsense. There is a lot of us that would be happy with Geno, Wilson, or Barkley.
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So let's find out if he's any good.

Roll the dice and try to WIN something for once.
But I also see this side of the debate. At least you are acknowledging there is some risk involved. It's better than those that are immediately anointing him as our savior.
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would you say he isn't as good as McNabb was when Philly drafted him?

I know McNabb has more collegiate wins, but he was a big time runner during college -- scored a lot with his feet.
I've seen two games: The K-State game and the bowl game. It's unfair for me to make any type of judgement of his abilities.

FTR, I always thought McNabb was an average QB. I never liked him.
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This is what I was getting at earlier in the thread. I think it's a product of people wanting him to be elite (and some who are just feeding into the Geno Smith clique on CP) rather than actually feeling like he is an elite prospect for sure.

But lo and behold, if you question any aspect of somebody's unhealthy obsession with Geno Smith, you will be labeled as someone who wants a late round pick at QB.
Well, for me this is 100% false.

This is ALL about him being an elite PROSPECT. I don't have any idea what kind of NFL QB he'll be but he has all the tools to be a good one.

He's one of the better prospects to come out in the last 5 years.
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Nonsense. There is a lot of us that would be happy with Geno, Wilson, or Barkley.
You are vastly outnumbered based on what I've seen.
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