NFL Draft Lol Geno - Page 46

Mr_Tomahawk · 04-25-2013, 08:04 PM

You're overrated.

Don't worry, you're #1 in CP's eyes

ToxSocks · 04-26-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by opposition

Many here think the QB is more important. While it is important, look at the teams who have won Super Bowls and their coaches. Look at every single top 10 QB and look at the coaching staff.

And then look at what those coaches have done before and after their top QB's.

Andy Reid is a .500 coach with out McNabb.

Belichick was a failure in Cleveland before Brady. Hell, his one season w/o Brady is the one season he missed the playoffs. The list goes on and on.

**buddha** · 04-26-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

We shot down people who said reeruned things like "Geno = Akili Smith or Jamarcus Russell" and backed it up by saying, "THAT'S MY OPINION! YOU'LL NEVER TAKE MY PRECIOUS OPINION!!!!"

SNR, there was some of that...however, it went FAR beyond that. Anybody who mentioned another player was blown up for the following reason...nobody wins the Super Bowl without an elite QB. I think most people would agree with that statement. The problem is that there was significant disagreement whether Geno Smith is or will become an "elite" QB. It got to the point where anybody who felt Geno was good, but not great, was ripped to shreds here. I don't remember if you were part of that or not.

As the old saying goes...everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. To be SO sure about Geno Smith, even Internet fans need to have some reality to base their opinions on...if not, don't attack anybody who has a different opinion.

opposition · 04-26-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

GM's and coaches of QB needy teams all must seem to question his ability to do those things. He's athletic, has a good arm, good accuracy out to 20. It has to be the other things teams question.

I think like Collin Kaepernick teams know he can be a good QB, but they can't afford to wait for him. Do teams need a player now? Or a player a year or two down the road? You don't waste your 1st rounder for a "prospect" when you have other glaring needs.

Round 2 you have more flexibility.

Nightfyre · 04-26-2013, 11:07 AM

I guess I have no choice. I still hope we draft him - but the talking heads beat me this time. Sadface.

ToxSocks · 04-26-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

GM's and coaches of QB needy teams all must seem to question his ability to do those things. He's athletic, has a good arm, good accuracy out to 20. It has to be the other things teams question.

I agree.

I came to terms with that a long time ago.

But i don't care. I don't care where he's drafted at either, whether its 1.1 or 3.1.

If you don't have legit QB, then you take the top prospect available (which appears to be Smith) and you develop him.

Maybe you get him into camp and he's a day 1 starter, or maybe he has to sit a year or two.

Either way, you aren't winning a SB with out a legit franchise QB, and until you have one, you turn over every rock until you get one.

opposition · 04-26-2013, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

And then look at what those coaches have done before and after their top QB's.

Andy Reid is a .500 coach with out McNabb.

Belichick was a failure in Cleveland before Brady. Hell, his one season w/o Brady is the one season he missed the playoffs. The list goes on and on.

Brees was nothing without Payton
Manning had the same OC his whole career and good coaches
Rodgers has McCarthy (look what he did to Flynn)
Harbaugh made Alex look worthy of his #1 pick and made Kaepernick who he is
Carrol and Wilson

To me you are right, but it's 50/50. I think coaching has just as much to do with being successful as one position. A proper coach having guys buy into and run an actual system will do teams wonders. Ask SF(nolan,Singletary).

Do you feel Romeo had these guys running a proper offense? This not only is helpful to the QB, but every position as well.

King_Chief_Fan · 04-26-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

And then look at what those coaches have done before and after their top QB's.

Andy Reid is a .500 coach with out McNabb.

Belichick was a failure in Cleveland before Brady. Hell, his one season w/o Brady is the one season he missed the playoffs. The list goes on and on.

that's because he had Cassel

**MahiMike** · 04-26-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NorthernWV

McShay calls EJ Manuel a "wasted pick"

Had a draft party w/several FSU fans. They were pretty stoked to have so many of their players drafted in 1st round.

As for EJ, we laughed at a Florida boy having to play in that cold weather. The Bills won't win again until they get a dome.

opposition · 04-26-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

that's because he had Cassel

Actually that's a good point. Look what a good coach did for Cassel. Look what Reid did for Kolb and I've seen many claiming for Foles around here as well.

keg in kc · 04-26-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

that's because he had Cassel

And they still won 10 games. Using that year as a sign that Belichick just rides Brady has never been the best argument. Not making the playoffs was more of a fluke than anything. Most teams would be thrilled to win 10 with their backup.

Hell, I'd be thrilled to win 10 with our new backup, Alex Smith.

**buddha** · 04-26-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

We should have postponed the Douche of the Year until after the draft.

Seriously. If you're so insecure that you have to quote yourself and bump your own posts, that's pretty sad. Come on Chiefs Country, you're better than that.

ToxSocks · 04-26-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by opposition

Brees was nothing without Payton
Manning had the same OC his whole career and good coaches
Rodgers has McCarthy (look what he did to Flynn)
Harbaugh made Alex look worthy of his #1 pick and made Kaepernick who he is
Carrol and Wilson

To me you are right, but it's 50/50. I think coaching has just as much to do with being successful as one position. A proper coach having guys buy into and run an actual system will do teams wonders. Ask SF(nolan,Singletary).

Do you feel Romeo had these guys running a proper offense? This not only is helpful to the QB, but every position as well.

Like I said, look at what these coaches have done before and after their top QB's.

Tony Dungy was fired from Tampa Bay because he couldn't field an offense worth a shit. He was a defensive "guru" supposedly. He also had some damn good defensive players in TB. He goes to Indy, gets gifted with Manning, and all of a sudden he's a great coach....even though that "guru" could never field a defense worth a shit Indy.

Peyton, otoh, moves to Denver and now all of a sudden John Fox, who barely won anything in Carolina w/o a QB, is all of a sudden a great coach.

Carrol trotted out a sub .500 team two years in a row before Wilson.

Harbaugh was able to mask Alex Smith, but i'd hardly say he made him better. And as soon as Harbaugh had the chance, he replaced him with his groomed developmental QB.

I agree that Reid will make our QB's better and our offense better, but it won't be enough to win a SB, and it never will be until Reid finds his next McNabb.

Sorter · 04-26-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

And they still won 10 games. Using that year as a sign that Belichick just rides Brady has never been the best argument. Not making the playoffs was more of a fluke than anything. Most teams would be thrilled to win 10 with their backup.

Hell, I'd be thrilled to win 10 with our new backup, Alex Smith.

opposition · 04-26-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Like I said, look at what these coaches have done before and after their top QB's.

Tony Dungy was fired from Tampa Bay because he couldn't field an offense worth a shit. He was a defensive "guru" supposedly. He also had some damn good defensive players in TB. He goes to Indy, gets gifted with Manning, and all of a sudden he's a great coach....even though that "guru" could never field a defense worth a shit Indy.

Peyton, otoh, moves to Denver and now all of a sudden John Fox, who barely won anything in Carolina w/o a QB, is all of a sudden a great coach.

Carrol trotted out a sub .500 team two years in a row before Wilson.

Harbaugh was able to mask Alex Smith, but i'd hardly say he made him better. And as soon as Harbaugh had the chance, he replaced him with his groomed developmental QB.

I agree that Reid will make our QB's better and our offense better, but it won't be enough to win a SB, and it never will be until Reid finds his next McNabb.

As I said I think it's 50/50. Can't really argue with you on that. And I will stop talking Alex in this thread after this. But.. I think what Harbaugh did to Alex was give him an actual system to run. It's no secret he is a system QB, going back to his days at Utah. Not the most naturally gifted QB, but tops in the league when he has that system of being able to use his smarts pre-snap at the line and read defenses. Urban even agrees. To me Alex's smarts are what makes him the mid to top tier QB's in the league Put a system in for Alex to run and he'll excel. I think Reid will do just that.

**Baby Lee** · 04-26-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Trashing Buffalo?

Well, Manuel was infact a reach, but we don't know what he will become, so to say he's a bad player at this point is wrong.

He was however probably overdrafted.

Yeah they're getting flayed, but go look at the 'sport science' clip on his ESPN draft page. Some pretty impressive stuff. Dunno if they're blowing smoke, but his measurables really impressed.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/30224

There's a bunch of clips on there, find the sport science one.

04-25-2013, 08:04 PM
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04-26-2013, 11:07 AM	#679
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