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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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Priest31kc · 02-17-2013, 01:01 AM

I'm just going to post milkman's explanation again on the difference between college & the NFL:

People that ask this question clearly do not understand the difference between the college game and the NFL game.

The talent level of the best team in the NFL and the worst team in the NFL is marginal at best.

In the playoffs, the thing that separates one team from another is usually at QB.

In the college game, the thing that seperates one team from another is the overall talent level of the teams playing one another.

Syacuse was a more talented team.

Even with that difference in the levels, Geno Smith almost singlehandedly carried WVU to an Orange Bowl win last year against a far superior Clemson team.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-17-2013, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

BlackBob arguing with me whilst thinking I was Boxxy that the Chiefs ran a 3-3-5 as their sub package was pretty damn funny for a while.

You aren't really Boxxy? Oh hell. My image of you is shattered. I was sure she spent this much time on a Chiefs message board.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Kind of like our one and only combine warrior Dontari Poe.

He isnt' a leader I guess, but it goes both ways. Tebow won, but just didn't have the skills necessary.

Guess I'm trying to say just because a guy wins, doesn't necessarily mean he's capable etc at the next level.

There is a whole package of things that have to go into it.

Eh, yes and no. Poe wasn't expected to be the eventual leader of the defense. I don't have the "numbers", which Clay will undoubtedly provide, but I felt he had a more impressive rookie season than Sims, Jackson or Dorsey and by a wide margin.

But a first round QB better come in and lead by example from Day One. And if he didn't win in college, he's got an even bigger uphill battle.

**Bowser** · 02-17-2013, 01:03 AM

I said it in some thread somewhere, but I'll give Dorsey/Reid the benefit, no matter what player ends up being the pick. Those two guys have more experience putting football rosters together than all of us combined. If the pick is Joeckel, then I'll pull for him to put the clown shoes on Knowmo's boys VonDoom. If it's Geno, I'll openly weep tears of joy (possibly). If it's anyone else, I'll hope with all I have that they will step in, step up, and kick some ass for this team.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-17-2013, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

Big day on Monday right?

Well yeah... kind of. But back to how the Chiefs will implode forever if they don't take Geno #1...

O.city · 02-17-2013, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Eh, yes and no. Poe wasn't expected to be the eventual leader of the defense. I don't have the "numbers", which Clay will undoubtedly provide, but I felt he had a more impressive rookie season than Sims, Jackson or Dorsey and by a wide margin.

But a first round QB better come in and lead by example from Day One. And if he didn't win in college, he's got an even bigger uphill battle.

Sure.

Good thing for us, all the top QB's in this class taht we would take early, won in college.

Titty Meat · 02-17-2013, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Geno destroys Cam Newton as a prospect, and it's not even close IMO.

If he had Cam's attitude issues he'd be out of the first round mocks altogether.

LOL wow.

Setsuna · 02-17-2013, 01:06 AM

Man if yall don't draft Smith or a QB in the 1st that's just the dagger right there. I think if Clark was the same GM he was before the Pioli regime then you would legitimately be worried but I don't think he'll allow something like this to happen again. It seems people are forgetting Clark is more involved than in the past. Trust Clark. Dorsey can't do shit without his say like Pioli used to do. So....have hope?

In terms of my Jags if we draft EJ Manuel or Landry Jones I'm done with that team for good.

**Bowser** · 02-17-2013, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Eh, yes and no. Poe wasn't expected to be the eventual leader of the defense. I don't have the "numbers", which Clay will undoubtedly provide, but I felt he had a more impressive rookie season than Sims, Jackson or Dorsey and by a wide margin.

But a first round QB better come in and lead by example from Day One. And if he didn't win in college, he's got an even bigger uphill battle.

Speaking of Sims, here's a momentary pit stop with a fun fact -

Ryan Sims has more career interceptions than William Bartee. Sims has one career interception.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-17-2013, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Kind of like our one and only combine warrior Dontari Poe.

He isnt' a leader I guess, but it goes both ways. Tebow won, but just didn't have the skills necessary.

Guess I'm trying to say just because a guy wins, doesn't necessarily mean he's capable etc at the next level.

There is a whole package of things that have to go into it.

I'm talking quarterback.

It's the overall package. If you have elite level skills, but can't win games in college, that's a massive red flag.

Priest31kc · 02-17-2013, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What the **** is wrong with you?

You've been not just a cheerleader, but a ****ing dick to anyone and everyone that even suggests an alternative to Geno Smith. You've been raging at people as if your life depends on whether or not the Chiefs choose him.

It's not life or death. The Chiefs have ****ing sucked for 40 goddamned years and they're not likely to turn the corner anytime soon. I felt they had an opportunity in 2009 after firing Herm and amassing the best draft class in franchise history but they ****ed it up.

Right now, in 2013, there's nothing to **** up. If they get it right, they get it right. If they don't, it's just another season down the drain.

Drafting Geno Smith won't likely bring a championship to guys like Bowe, Hali, Albert, Charles or even Berry. He's a major project, which is a huge RISK at #1 overall because you can get a MAJOR PROJECT in round three.

I just don't get all the anger, all the divisiveness and all the dickish attitude.

How is he a project? And how is he a MAJOR project?

And are you saying Geno Smith, since he's a major project, should be worth about a 3rd round pick? If not, why take a worse QB in the 3rd instead of taking a better one in the 1st or 2nd?

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Flacco was rated as a 2nd rounder by everyone but Baltimore. He took every bit of 5 years to develop and it's tough not to argue that before Jim Caldwell, he was barely average.

Matt Ryan was an "interception machine" because he played in the Catholic League with less than stellar, let alone less than NFL, talent.

Rothlisberger was a ****ing stud at Miami of Ohio. If you had watched his bowl game, you KNEW he had what it took to suceed in the NFL, let alone is size (again 6'6), leadership and arm.

Everyone before the Packers was wrong about Rodgers.

Flacco has more wins in the regular and postseason than any quarterback since he came into the league...that was true BEFORE this past season.

Would you draft him 1st overall?

Matt Ryan's interceptions were his teammates faults? What?

Would you draft him first overall? Jake Long/Joeckel a better pick?

Rothlisberger was so good that he went to Miami......of Ohio.

Would you draft him first overall?

Rodgers was a Tedford bust and sat for 3 years...how about him first overall?

HolyHat · 02-17-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Eh, yes and no. Poe wasn't expected to be the eventual leader of the defense. I don't have the "numbers", which Clay will undoubtedly provide, but I felt he had a more impressive rookie season than Sims, Jackson or Dorsey and by a wide margin.

But a first round QB better come in and lead by example from Day One. And if he didn't win in college, he's got an even bigger uphill battle.

Not necessarily, look at Tannehill in Miami. He did pretty well with a dog shit team. He was only 7-6 in his full year as a starter at A&M. I think Tannehill will turn out to be a productive QB

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Speaking of Sims, here's a momentary pit stop with a fun fact -

Ryan Sims has more career interceptions than William Bartee. Sims has one career interception.

Good times.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-17-2013, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

LOL wow.

It's insanely laughable that he keeps beating that drum.

I'd be shocked if GoChiefs watched one Cam Newton game in college.

Cam was rough scheme wise, but his physical skills were off the charts.

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1739611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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Priest31kc Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: JCMO Casino cash: $5125291	I'm just going to post milkman's explanation again on the difference between college & the NFL: People that ask this question clearly do not understand the difference between the college game and the NFL game. The talent level of the best team in the NFL and the worst team in the NFL is marginal at best. In the playoffs, the thing that separates one team from another is usually at QB. In the college game, the thing that seperates one team from another is the overall talent level of the teams playing one another. Syacuse was a more talented team. Even with that difference in the levels, Geno Smith almost singlehandedly carried WVU to an Orange Bowl win last year against a far superior Clemson team. __________________ KANSAS CITY ROYALS 2015 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS I AM A MAHOMESEXUAL
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Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $3001616	I said it in some thread somewhere, but I'll give Dorsey/Reid the benefit, no matter what player ends up being the pick. Those two guys have more experience putting football rosters together than all of us combined. If the pick is Joeckel, then I'll pull for him to put the clown shoes on Knowmo's boys VonDoom. If it's Geno, I'll openly weep tears of joy (possibly). If it's anyone else, I'll hope with all I have that they will step in, step up, and kick some ass for this team.
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Setsuna Paladin Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Gator Country Casino cash: $10008487	Man if yall don't draft Smith or a QB in the 1st that's just the dagger right there. I think if Clark was the same GM he was before the Pioli regime then you would legitimately be worried but I don't think he'll allow something like this to happen again. It seems people are forgetting Clark is more involved than in the past. Trust Clark. Dorsey can't do shit without his say like Pioli used to do. So....have hope? In terms of my Jags if we draft EJ Manuel or Landry Jones I'm done with that team for good.
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