Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's also possible that Andy Reid is just a ****ing moron.

GREAT POST!!!

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

You see my sig?

You will get no argument from me.

Im just stating that regardless of what people want to say about him, something about him being the qb translates to whatever TEAM he is on having a dominant defense the past three years.

it defies logic, but it is what it is.

This team has a dominant defense because of the talent on that side of the ball + coaching. Alex Smith just happened to suck enough to lose his job in one place and fall ass over elbows into a good situation.

The defense has absolutely NOTHING to do with Smith. Hell, he puts them back on the field entirely too much and puts far too much stress on them by not generating enough points.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This team has a dominant defense because of the talent on that side of the ball + coaching. Alex Smith just happened to suck enough to lose his job in one place and fall ass over elbows into a good situation.

The defense has absolutely NOTHING to do with Smith. Hell, he puts them back on the field entirely too much and puts far too much stress on them by not generating enough points.

Yeahhhhhhhh. See, you are putting me in a terrible position. Because now I have to go back to defending Alex Smith, and I hate doing that lately.

Alex didn't suck at all when he "lost" his job. Matter of fact, he had just come off being the NFC Offensive player of the week and had one of the greatest statistical games in the history of the game as far as completion percentage was concerned, and at the time of being hurt, was 25-27 for 300+ yards and 4 tds.

Second. Okay. Cool.

Yeah, the defense was TALENTED last year too. But, if your qbs were the same as last year, and still turned the ball over 37 times, the defense would of been considered average at best.

A lot of that IS on Alex Smith.

Again, you aren't going to agree with me. You are barricaded in your corner with your HEELS dug in.

I have three years of PROOF to back up what you are trying to force on people as an opinion.

[O.city]

The defense is good enough on its own, it can do its part if put in bad situations.

We can't get like last year in terms of turnovers, but I think we need to, hope and think we will open up he offense more and try and score more points, being more aggressive

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Yeahhhhhhhh. See, you are putting me in a terrible position. Because now I have to go back to defending Alex Smith, and I hate doing that lately.

Alex didn't suck at all when he "lost" his job. Matter of fact, he had just come off being the NFC Offensive player of the week and had one of the greatest statistical games in the history of the game as far as completion percentage was concerned, and at the time of being hurt, was 25-27 for 300+ yards and 4 tds.

Second. Okay. Cool.

Yeah, the defense was TALENTED last year too. But, if your qbs were the same as last year, and still turned the ball over 37 times, the defense would of been considered average at best.

A lot of that IS on Alex Smith.

Again, you aren't going to agree with me. You are barricaded in your corner with your HEELS dug in.

I have three years of PROOF to back up what you are trying to force on people as an opinion.

Our metric is that Smith improves the defense by not turning it over. Great. Fine. True. And this is what we're reduced to?

Smith puts the D in a good position because he facilitates the punt. Welcome to KC.

[Nightfyre]

Just like that goal-line stand in the Texans game. Man did that pump me up.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Our metric is that Smith improves the defense by not turning it over. Great. Fine. True. And this is what we're reduced to?

Smith puts the D in a good position because he facilitates the punt. Welcome to KC.

I have never claimed any other positives for Alex Smith.

His ability to not turn it over.

And ill say this again. For opposing offenses, it has to be EXTREMELY disheartening after a Colquitt punt to look up, and see they have to go 80+ yards to score.

As opposed to last year, the Chiefs gave the ball away like a child molester giving away candy.

Is Alex Smith great? Hell no, he would barely on most days be passable as above average. But, the plus turnover ratio, has to be considered.

Check all the losing teams in the league right now.

Most of them have HUGE negative turnover ratios.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

GREAT POST!!!

That is 8 months old, and htis has been gone from here nearly as long.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I have never claimed any other positives for Alex Smith.

His ability to not turn it over.

And ill say this again. For opposing offenses, it has to be EXTREMELY disheartening after a Colquitt punt to look up, and see they have to go 80+ yards to score.

As opposed to last year, the Chiefs gave the ball away like a child molester giving away candy.

Is Alex Smith great? Hell no, he would barely on most days be passable as above average. But, the plus turnover ratio, has to be considered.

Check all the losing teams in the league right now.

Most of them have HUGE negative turnover ratios.

OK, we have common ground here. The problem is that Chiefs fans who have been around the block understand the outcome of having a conservative game manager at the helm.

This is the 90s.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I don't think so. Smith is smarter, more athletic, more savvy, and more composed than Bono. And I think he has a chance to come closer to Montana than a lot of people realize.

People romanticize Montana, and rightfully so for the many great things he did. But he wasn't immune to putrid outings.

Thing was, he was clutch. He and Elway had a knack for throwing a hot mess out there on the field, until it came time to buckle the belt and bear down.

Go back and watch, the playoff game against the Oilers, really watch. I'd submit that if Alex Smith had played the EXACT same game against Houston yesterday that Montana did against old Houston in 1993, we'd have the same moaning about winning despite the QB we have now. We remember the couple of great passes and spiking the Buddy Ryan poster, but he was overthrowing and underthrowing and taking sacks like a mug for much of the game.

I've said since he signed that my expectation of Alex is that he be CLUTCH, not eye popping, not stats padding, not gunslinging, but solid as Matco when the game is on the line.

Sucks for me, because I won't know if I'm ultimately wrong or right about him until the same time all the naysayers learn the same, the playoffs when it's one and done. But knowing that I try to refrain from harping on it day in, day out, like the naysaying dicksucks around here. I just enjoy what I see, and store up evidence that he seems consistently capable of meeting the metrics I have for him.

I'm pretty sure if Alex Smith had won multiple SBs for the 49ers and was on his way to the AFC Championship game, people would overlook it, too. As far as other bad games, if you're going to criticize Joe Montana, you're going to be really sure first.

Alex Smith is just another retread QB and has been treated like one from some people from day one... I've said all along that there's a shitload of evidence stacked against him, which means I'm not going to act like I don't know how it's ended all of these years... but at the same time, he'll have plenty of chances to create his own ending and plenty of opportunities to win over the skeptics. And hell, I'd say 'of course he doesn't have the same luxury as Joe Montana when it comes to fans rationalizing away bad games'... but, that's not even true.

And yeah, no one will really know one way or the other until they play some legit contenders, but some are so desperate to push their agenda, that a few games against shitty teams might as well be playoff games.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I'm pretty sure if Alex Smith had won multiple SBs for the 49ers and was on his way to the AFC Championship game, people would overlook it, too. As far as other bad games, if you're going to criticize Joe Montana, you're going to be really sure first.

Alex Smith is just another retread QB and has been treated like one from some people from day one... I've said all along that there's a shitload of evidence stacked against him, which means I'm not going to act like I don't know how it's ended all of these years... but at the same time, he'll have plenty of chances to create his own ending and plenty of opportunities to win over the skeptics. And hell, I'd say 'of course he doesn't have the same luxury as Joe Montana when it comes to fans rationalizing away bad games'... but, that's not even true.

And yeah, no one will really know one way or the other until they play some legit contenders, but some are so desperate to push their agenda, that a few games against shitty teams might as well be playoff games.

I stated it a long time ago. No matter what Alex Smith does, it is never going to be enough.

Even if god forbid the Chiefs won the super bowl this year, and Alex Smith was the MVP of it, if the Chiefs had a legitimate qb they would of BLOWN out whoever they beat, rather than just winning by 4 points.

It is the way it is.

That's NEVER going to change.

How any Chiefs fan could go from disappointed by a 2-14 season, to trading two 2nds for a back up, to drafting a RT #1 overall to 7-0 and being upset by anything, and feeling ENTITLED to do so, is why this sport is great. From the outhouse to the pent house.

With the amount of BITCHING on this forum, two things are clearly evident. people are missing out on an EPIC defensive showing, one that was thought to be dead in todays modern NFL, and two that people are never happy regardless of the situation.

[Nightfyre]

How, exactly, are we missing out on the epic defensive showing if we watch each game and often more than once?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

How, exactly, are we missing out on the epic defensive showing if we watch each game and often more than once?

If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, don't hurt your foot. Not every comment is directed at every single person. There are people on here who love DEFENSE, and can appreciate it for what it is. The majority of the people who are screaming how the chiefs are the same old same old, because of an inept offense, are taking away and underestimating the value of this defense and just how dominant it is.

If you can appreciate it, then that's GREAT because it is SPECIAL.

Best defense I have seen since 2000.

And the 49ers defense of 2011 WAS SPECIAL. This one is better.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

I stated it a long time ago. No matter what Alex Smith does, it is never going to be enough.

Even if god forbid the Chiefs won the super bowl this year, and Alex Smith was the MVP of it, if the Chiefs had a legitimate qb they would of BLOWN out whoever they beat, rather than just winning by 4 points.

It is the way it is.

That's NEVER going to change.

How any Chiefs fan could go from disappointed by a 2-14 season, to trading two 2nds for a back up, to drafting a RT #1 overall to 7-0 and being upset by anything, and feeling ENTITLED to do so, is why this sport is great. From the outhouse to the pent house.

With the amount of BITCHING on this forum, two things are clearly evident. people are missing out on an EPIC defensive showing, one that was thought to be dead in todays modern NFL, and two that people are never happy regardless of the situation.

100% horseshit.

Just a decade ago this forum went from 'Trint' to loving the guy, and that team didn't even win a playoff game. And if you've ready anything on this thread in the past month, people have said over and over and over that they simply want to see Smith consistently compete with the big boys, much less win a SB.

And FFS, how the hell would you know how people here would react if the Chiefs won one playoff game, much less a SB, when the board didn't exist the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game? It's been TWENTY ****ING YEARS and you don't think Chiefs fans aren't desperate to buy into a great quarterback?

Come on, man...

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

How, exactly, are we missing out on the epic defensive showing if we watch each game and often more than once?

If you are part of the contingent that have convinced themselves that it's all already useless because we're never going anywhere anyways because Alex going to Lin Eliot it up in the playoffs, you're at least missing some part of it.