Chiefs Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck. - Page 477

**Rausch** · 10-23-2013, 07:23 AM

Just had a segment on NFLAM about Smiff and they roundly praised and defended him...

**Rausch** · 10-23-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BCD

The NFL would place an asterisk by the win, because Alex had fewer than 20 TD passes.

It doesn't seem to bother Denver fans...

warrior · 10-23-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Maybe you're right, maybe I've been overeacting to comments like;

We've seen this before
This is the 90s
We know how this worked out with Marty
Just like Bono, Grbac and Cassel
We know where game managers leave us
The inevitable downfall against real competition

etc.

Your basic 'I know the future because I'm traumatized by the past.'

Yep let's all be miserable over winning because of the past we know how this ends

**Bearcat** · 10-23-2013, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I appreciate that you have made numerous concerted efforts to pull back on overheated rhetoric. But you have to realize that wet blankets fall heavy on the shoulders of optimists watching an AMAZING turnaround with this team.

A lot of it boils down to whether you view a team as a collection of compartments or as a holistic entity. With the former, of course, nothing the defense is doing has anything to do with the offense, or the passing game, or the QB. But I have a long and consistent record of holding that an NFL team is like an automobile engine. When it's out of tune, it's ALL out of tune. An AMG W-16 with a bad timing gear is as useless as a Yugo 4-banger. Our quest as fans is to keep our eyes peeled to be the first to yell 'land-ho' from the crow's nest when the pieces come together.

Our previous 13-3 flame-outs bear little resemblance to 2013 Chiefs FB. There weren't abysmal seasons preceding. There weren't massive coaching and philosophy changes in between. There wasn't over 1/2 the roster changing, with all the good being retained and ALL the chaff being discarded.

I was in St.L. when the greatest show turned the 4-12 Rams into SB champs. They had twice as many wins in the season prior as we have. I also saw how important both a dominant D and being clutch was when they beat the Bucs, what, . . . 3-2, 4-7, . . . some other MLB score [I know, 11-6, Ricky effing Proehl and all that], to go to the SB and win on a defensive stand. I also saw the 2000 Ravens. I saw the Pats completely break down the self-same Rams, minus a dominant D, in 2001/02, in a room filled with Rams bandwagoneers. Oddest schadenfreude of my life, a room full of friends and a team I liked, but certain that Belichek had their number. Sad to see so many disappointed faces, but deep down glad I still knew football.

My rambling has turned Rico-esque. But my point is, I still have a good feeling about this iteration, I'm not some Kool-aid drinking 'truefan,' and we're all going to be in the dark until the rubber meets the road in January. Enjoy the ride, . . . or don't. But cut out the 'are we there yet' [ie, have we lost yet] shit.

True, and I guess saying "it's been a great turnaround, but..." will come off as overly cynical regardless of the intent or what comes after the 'but'. And myself and others have tried to differentiate between our appreciation of what's happening right now versus our concerns for the big picture... which just turns into more "why aren't you miserable people enjoying the ride?!?!"

My view on the NFL is different from a lot of people when it comes to the amount of mediocrity throughout the league, so a lot of these games just don't get me all excited like they used to... and after seeing guys like Matt Cassel win 10 games or Tim Tebow win a playoff game, I look forward to the huge match ups far more than the average game, which is a big reason I always have an eye on the playoffs.... mid-January football is just so much better, with probably a bigger discrepancy than regular season hockey to playoff hockey (and that's saying something).

Part of me thinks it's because I'm old and I've been there/done that, but then CBB rolls around and I'm like a college kid again looking forward to every KU game no matter how big or small, so I guess I have the Chiefs to thank for that.

It's nice to see some rational discussion on these topics, so thanks for that... when they lose in the first round, I'll be here with a gentle I told you so (jk

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**Bearcat** · 10-23-2013, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by warrior

Yep let's all be miserable over winning because of the past we know how this ends

StFU, you're ruining it.

**Rausch** · 10-23-2013, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by warrior

Yep let's all be miserable over winning because of the past we know how this ends

So it was ok to play like ass in Pioli's first year because "we're rebuilding" but going undefeated the first 7 weeks and making a playoff game is "more of the same suck" in Andy's first year?...

**Bearcat** · 10-23-2013, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

And if they manage to win it all this year you will have missed it due to stubbornness, cynicism or whatever. And then it may be another 40 years.

Enjoy it while you can, success could be fleeting and you will have missed it.

Not at all, really.... I've watched every game and enjoy them on 46 inches of HD glory with high quality beer, and a couple with the ability to FF through all the BS commercials/stoppages. If you haven't noticed, it takes a nice chunk of change, and if you do it right, 7+ hours... the latter is hard to come by and they've gotten plenty of the former from me in the past.

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Originally Posted by GOB

I get why you haven't bought in and I respect that.

Regarding (3), however, I think you are making a lot of assumptions. Not saying that to chastise you but to encourage you. We don't know that a first round QB isn't on the FO's mind. That we didn't draft one this year and that the GM has encouraging words for their current starter doesn't mean anything really. It could be they think Alex is enough. It could mean they think shoring up the OL is more important. It could mean they thought it was a weak draft class to take the chance on.

I don't know if we are going to win the Superbowl. I don't think Alex Smith is the best QB in the league but I don't think he's as terrible as the OP wants to believe. I think the QB position is important but not as important as the fantasy football generation makes it out to be and measuring it certainly goes beyond the simple metrics they bandy around. I also don't know that we'd be in a better position with another QB's save HOF caliber ones which are exceedingly difficult to land.

What I do know is John Dorsey and Andy Reid are making more good decisions than bad and the team is sitting undefeated. I also know that every season is a journey and both players and the team are not static but will change. That's all enough for me to be a little bit hopeful and happy watching this team. Hope at some point you feel the same.

The best case scenario, IMO, is that Dorsey and Reid already know Smith is a stop gap, giving him the benefit of the doubt, but are ready to the pull the trigger on a first rounder or a better FA if needed. Dorsey, of course, comes from a franchise that obviously gets it... the Packers have drafted more QBs in the first 3 rounds in the past 20 years, even though they've basically only started two in the time frame (the Chiefs -- 1

). And I know people say "there's no Andrew Luck this year!" or there are no guarantees, but I want them to TRY. Just TRY for the first time in 30 years (well, 2nd if you really want to include Croyle).

Of course, that doesn't mean they should have drafted one simply due to the history of the Chiefs... while it was certainly frustrating and reeked of what we've seen in the past, and it's frustrating to have to say "well, maybe THIS regime has a better plan" (again), maybe they do, and all we can do is give them the benefit of the doubt until they prove us right or wrong.

warrior · 10-23-2013, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

So it was ok to play like ass in Pioli's first year because "we're rebuilding" but going undefeated the first 7 weeks and making a playoff game is "more of the same suck" in Andy's first year?...

Think you got me all wrong I'm enjoying this season no matter the outcome love this defense and I'm not going to s*** on the team because of the offense which I don't think most people on here understand.

Mr. Plow · 10-23-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by warrior

Think you got me all wrong I'm enjoying this season no matter the outcome love this defense and I'm not going to s*** on the team because of the offense which I don't think most people on here understand.

So the offense doesn't concern you then.

warrior · 10-23-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

So the offense doesn't concern you then.

Sure it does I'm not letting something I have no control over ruin watching the rest of the team are you?

Mr. Plow · 10-23-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by warrior

Sure it does I'm not letting something I have no control over ruin watching the rest of the team are you?

**ptlyon** · 10-23-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Pwned

**Bearcat** · 10-23-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Stop engaging the kiddie table, damnit! Don't ruin this for me!

Mr. Plow · 10-23-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Stop engaging the kiddie table, damnit! Don't ruin this for me!

Sorry. Backing away slowly.

**loochy** · 10-23-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

So the offense doesn't concern you then.

THE OFFENSE IS SUPER AWESOME SINCE WE ARE 7-0 I CAN NEVER DIE YOLO

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