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Old 03-09-2005, 05:31 PM  
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A source told the Palm Beach Post that the Dolphins are closing in a deal that would ship Patrick Surtain to either Minnesota, Seattle or Kansas City.
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:56 PM   #61
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I don't know why everybody is so worried about giving up a 2nd-round pick.

The Patriots gave up a 3rd to get Duane Starks.

I don't either. Surtain=our 2nd round pick so we all we gotta do is address the other roster spot with a FA. Sign Polley if it's LB we're looking for in round 2. It's just a numbers game IMO. If the plan is to have acquired five quality players by the end of our 2nd pick in the draft it shouldn't matter if they came via free agency, trade or draft pick as long as we acquire them.


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Old 03-09-2005, 08:58 PM   #62
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I don't either. Surtain=our 2nd round pick so we all we gotta do is address the other roster spot with a FA. Sign Polley if it's LB we're looking for in round 2. It's just a numbers game IMO. If the plan is to have acquired five quality players by the end of our 2nd pick in the draft it shouldn't matter if they came via free agency, trade or draft pick as long as we acquire them.


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Old 03-09-2005, 09:12 PM   #63
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If the Chiefs get Surtain and Hartwell I'd like to see them draft Donte Nicholson to play free safety.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:37 AM   #64
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If the Chiefs get Surtain and Hartwell I'd like to see them draft Donte Nicholson to play free safety.
Unless you are dreaming, why mention Hartwell? Kingless already said he will not go after him.

Do I want Hartwell ... you bet I do but it will not happen. Seems to me we ought to get both Hartwell and Law/Surtain. (Yes, I think it is possible ... creative cap management and cut a couple of players.) That would really upgrade out D. One of our pretending to be C.B.'s could revert back to S. and fill our need at S. Warfield & Law/Surtain covering the W.R. ... with Bell, Hartwell, and Fugi coming after the QB will give our O many more opportunities.

I'm okay with trading our 2nd. for Surtain. Unless Kingless gets extremely lucky (hasn't happened too often in the past) whoever he picks will not start for at least 5 years. Surtain will be a great 2nd. round pick.

Got a question for you guys ... does anyone know of a site (by someone that is a least a little of an experts) ... that rank CB's in the NFL? Where does Surtain rate compared to Rolle, Law, Smoot, etc. Someone was nice enough to post the ranking of F.A.'s ... but Surtain was not on the list.

If Surtain is considered equal to are a little below Law in talent ... then pull the trigger on the trade because we don't know if/when Law recovers. I do like Law's leadership skills and believe that may be his best qualities for us. Would love for Kingless to get both Surtain and Law but in reality I know Kingless wouldn't do that even if both were for the minimum salary ... which we all know the player will not go for.

But, my big question is whether Kingless will get either one? If he doesn't get us an impact C.B. we can go ahead and start a discussion about next years draft and the new coaching staff.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:40 AM   #65
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I don't either. Surtain=our 2nd round pick so we all we gotta do is address the other roster spot with a FA. Sign Polley if it's LB we're looking for in round 2. It's just a numbers game IMO. If the plan is to have acquired five quality players by the end of our 2nd pick in the draft it shouldn't matter if they came via free agency, trade or draft pick as long as we acquire them.


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Old 03-10-2005, 12:52 AM   #66
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I don't either. Surtain=our 2nd round pick so we all we gotta do is address the other roster spot with a FA. Sign Polley if it's LB we're looking for in round 2. It's just a numbers game IMO. If the plan is to have acquired five quality players by the end of our 2nd pick in the draft it shouldn't matter if they came via free agency, trade or draft pick as long as we acquire them.


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I totally agree, it's just easier to acquire that many guys if a couple of them are draft picks.... they don't make nearly as much money.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:53 AM   #67
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What Carl said was that we wouldn't continue to negotiate with Hartwell. Not that we wouldn't sign him.
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:57 AM   #68
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I totally agree, it's just easier to acquire that many guys if a couple of them are draft picks.... they don't make nearly as much money.
IIRC .... the money difference is because the team must have enough money put away to sign the draft picks??? Therefore, if we trade for Surtain then we don't need money put away for our 2nd. pick and that would give us more under the cap.
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Old 03-10-2005, 01:00 AM   #69
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If Laws foot checks out while in KC and our doctors say that it's healling just fine then great but we still won't know anything till he starts trying to run and cut. I don't know that we can afford to wait for that day to make a decision.


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If the Chiefs sign Hartwell, we will have to wait to sign Law. We will need to make some June cuts to make cap room.
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Old 03-10-2005, 01:02 AM   #70
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If the Chiefs sign Hartwell, we will have to wait to sign Law. We will need to make some June cuts to make cap room.
Not necessarily. I think we might have (slightly) more cap room than's been reported. We cleared an assload cutting Holliday. Like 6 million.
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Old 03-10-2005, 01:10 AM   #71
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If the Chiefs sign Hartwell, we will have to wait to sign Law. We will need to make some June cuts to make cap room.
Why is there still hope we sign Ed Hartwell? Talk about a pipe dream.

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Not necessarily. I think we might have (slightly) more cap room than's been reported. We cleared an assload cutting Holliday. Like 6 million.
In that case can you imagine Hartwell, Bell and Law in free agency? We would have a ton of flexibility in the draft.

Would still want another CB (likely in the 1st or 2nd round) and possibly a safety (possibly a day two pick). I would want a DE to replace Hicks but I doubt that happens so that would allow us to look at offensive players (WR, Oline) on day one.
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Old 03-10-2005, 01:11 AM   #73
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Why is there still hope we sign Ed Hartwell? Talk about a pipe dream.

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In that case can you imagine Hartwell, Bell and Law in free agency? We would have a ton of flexibility in the draft.
It depends on what their asking prices are. We could probably work the contracts so they'd fit now, but we'd have to watch for problems down the road.

There's almost always a way to work the cap...
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Why is there still hope we sign Ed Hartwell? Talk about a pipe dream.

It's on to cornerback.


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