Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About

[Shox]

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Shox

I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.

Why?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Shox

Agree, but you must have players to win. My point is Reid's trend is to go out any buy players on the FA market rather than build from great drafting.

I'm not sure Clark is going to open the checkbook like the Eagles did.

Yeah, Clark hasn't proven that he's willing to spend money for a winner. He just flushed three years of Pioli + all of the failures that Fat Scott brought on this organization.

Meanwhile, Clark hired only one of the most expensive coaches, who is working to assemble an all-star staff and FO.

Clark is cheap.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Shox

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit with the Broncos otherwise bust)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.

fyp

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Shox

I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.

I want to hear an answer for how any three Pats first rounders are > McNabb.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Shox

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Two busts out of twelve picks and you think that's bad?

[Shox]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I want to hear an answer for how any three Pats first rounders are > McNabb.

What are you talking about. Never said they were better than McNabb. I said I would take the Giants last 3 1st round picks over the Eagles last three.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Shox

What are you talking about. Never said they were better than McNabb. I said I would take the Giants last 3 1st round picks over the Eagles last three.

Not limiting it to the last three. Hell, all of the Pats first-round choices < the importance of McNabb to the Eagles.

Once you started listing picks in '99, you lost.

[Shox]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Not limiting it to the last three. Hell, all of the Pats first-round choices < the importance of McNabb to the Eagles.

Once you started listing picks in '99, you lost.

LOL. I list picks from 99 because that was Andy Reids first draft with the Eagles......you lose.

[Mother****erJones]

Someone lock away and throw away the key to this thread

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Shox

LOL. I list picks from 99 because that was Andy Reids first draft with the Eagles......you lose.

Wow. OK.

Let me phrase this differently: have all of the Pats first round picks, collectively, had a bigger impact on their team than McNabb had on his?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Shox

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

7 of the 10 first round picks you gave a "hit" grade to (excluding the 3 you gave a "TBD" to).

7 of 10 is a pretty good ratio.

[Shox]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Wow. OK.

Let me phrase this differently: have all of the Pats first round picks, collectively, had a bigger impact on their team than McNabb had on his?

The question has nothing to do with my position that Reid's draft history has not been great overall.

Of course he hit with McNabb and it made a huge impact on the Eagles. I get it. He has an opportunity to do it in the coming draft for the Chiefs.

That has nothing to do with all of the remaining picks over 14 drafts which is below average in my opinion.

[slimdagreat]

Originally Posted by Shox

I did. I looked at the Eagles. Not that impressive.

You only looked at the 1st round. Drafts aren't won in the first round.
Drafts are won when you get the following Pro Bowlers AFTER THE FIRST ROUND
Brian Westbrook (91st pick)
DeSean Jackson (49th pick)
Trent Cole (146th pick)
Derrick Burgess (63rd pick)
LeSean McCoy (53rd pick)
Michael Lewis (58th pick)

That's drafting well. Missing on 1st rounders isn't good but the keys to being a great drafting team are
-Nailing QB picks
-Finding gems in late rounds

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Shox

I will take those 3 over Andy's three any day.

Still waiting for why you'd take a back up RB, a CB thats not on the team, and a so-so CB over two DL that together had 11 sacks last year and a starting, albeit, often injured G. If anything it's a push.

I'm gonna go ahead and call it, that you don't know what your talking about.

[Shox]

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

7 of the 10 first round picks you gave a "hit" grade to (excluding the 3 you gave a "TBD" to).

7 of 10 is a pretty good ratio.

Again as I stated in my original post. He has managed to draft some starting caliber players with his 1st rounders, but they are far from an impressive group. There are no stud players outside of McNabb in the group. You compare that to most of the other NFL teams and it is below average.