Chiefs Lesson Learned: Clark is Right to Land HC First - Page 5

Hoover · 01-01-2013, 10:41 AM

I think it’s very wise of Clark Hunt to put a priority the selection of the next head coach and not the general manager. Hunt put a priority on selecting the GM in 2009 and he landed his man, but by the time Pioli was in place all of the top coaching candidates were gone forcing the Chiefs to reach on Todd Haley. When you miss out on the top head coaching talent, it impacts the quality of the entire coaching staff.

The Chiefs have talent, but without the right coach to focus that talent and lead the team, one doesn’t get the most out of the investment in a high profile GM. While many here believe the presence of Pioli deters high profile free agents, I would say the lack of a legitimate coach with substantial control is what drives them to other teams instead of the chiefs. Would you rather play for a coach who makes the decisions for the team, or a coach who get’s vetoed by an all-powerful GM?

I think teams like the Chargers who are going to focus on the GM search before looking at head coach replacements run the risk of missing out on the best coaches. A GM first strategy also adds an unneeded variable to the coach selection. Say we went out and grabbed a Ross or a dude from GB or SF. I’d be happy, but who are they going to get for a HC? Likely a coordinator they have ties to, which means a repeat of the Haley fiasco.

I love the fact that Clark is going to get his coach and then sort out the GM stuff. I’ve become a big advocate of Reid and Heckert. Herkert has a long time scouting background and Reid is a QB friendly, franchise type coach we have not had since Marty.

Clark is on the right track. Now get it done Mr. Hunt.

htismaqe · 01-01-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Kevin Colbert had already been in Pittsburgh for close to a decade.

Pioli has been here for 4 years.

FAX · 01-01-2013, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Pioli brought in the same talent evaluation and management system used in New England and Atlanta, which is a great system. The thing that has failed is Pioli has been responsible for determining the team needs. Let Pioli work the scouting system and let the HC determine what the team needs and this could work just as well as it does in New England and Atlanta.

Hmmm ... I must be operating under a set of inaccurate assumptions, Mr. Chief Faithful. It is and has been my understanding that Dr. Evil himself has made the personnel and drafting decisions and that our "scouting department" is primarily responsible for number-crunching only.

If true, what kind of system is that? That's no "system". I don't even know what that is ... a feudal system, maybe.

I fear that any efforts to identify redeeming qualities in Dr. Evil are wasted on me, Mr. Chief Faithful. I cannot force myself to even be reasonable about it.

FAX

htismaqe · 01-01-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Do you trust Clark to know what a head coach is supposed to be?

Not really, but I don't have any control over it either.

htismaqe · 01-01-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're missing the point.

You're using Pittsburgh as an example, yet they've never had the HC and GM position open at the same time.

Technically, KC doesn't either.

EDIT: in all seriousness, this probably the new status quo. Coaches and GMs won't be joined at the hip anymore so moves can be made with one and completely not affect the other.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Pioli has been here for 4 years.

And again, it's ridiculous to use the Steelers as an example for this "model" when they've never had to fill both positions at the same time.

Sorry if I'm missing some sarcasm, my meter got splashed with scotch last night.

Jobomb · 01-01-2013, 12:34 PM

I think finding a coach, then a GM who has a working relationship with the coach, is the better play, if you find a good coach.

Chris Meck · 01-01-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I don't think that's a given at all, Mr. DeezNutz.

Clark said he's looking for someone who's "been involved" in building a winning team. I've listened to (and read) all his interviews, he's chosen his words carefully and not deviated from the script. You can learn as much from what a CEO/Chairman "doesn't say" as you can from the things he does.

FAX

In addition to your Jon Grudens and your Bill Cowhers, this would also be a group that would include Chip Kelly and Jay Gruden, who has head coached UFL championship teams. So yeah, I agree.

ChiefsFan04 · 01-01-2013, 12:37 PM

Keep Pioli but assign him to work concessions next year.

htismaqe · 01-01-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And again, it's ridiculous to use the Steelers as an example for this "model" when they've never had to fill both positions at the same time.

Sorry if I'm missing some sarcasm, my meter got splashed with scotch last night.

I drank 4 bottles of champagne.

I would have rather had the scotch at this point...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I drank 4 bottles of champagne.

I would have rather had the scotch at this point...

Christ.

Champagne is a brutal hangover for me. I steer clear at all costs.

tooge · 01-01-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I tend agree as well. Or at least hope this is the case, because the alternative is ****ed.

So using some good old fashioned common sense, Clark has pretty much put his eggs in the Bill Cowher, Brian Billick or Jon Gruden basket, yes?

That's what I think, yes.

htismaqe · 01-01-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Christ.

Champagne is a brutal hangover for me. I steer clear at all costs.

It's a brutal hangover for anybody. I feel like somebody repeatedly punched me in the gut...

With my forehead...

Chiefaholic · 01-01-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Do you trust Clark to know what a head coach is supposed to be?

Do you think Clark is just "winging it"? Or do you feel there's a probability that Clark has been doing his homework for quite a while now? You know as well as I do that Hunt has talked to multiple sources with a legit NFL background. The best option at HC that wants the job will be given the power that he chooses. Depending on which HC is hired, determines which GM will run the team.

Pioli is a stubborn jackass who is a power hungry whore. No way in hell does Scotty play well with the likes of a Bill Cower or Andy Reid.

stevieray · 01-01-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's a brutal hangover for anybody. I feel like somebody repeatedly punched me in the gut...

With my forehead...

add Orange Juice

**dirk digler** · 01-01-2013, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're missing the point.

You're using Pittsburgh as an example, yet they've never had the HC and GM position open at the same time.

I am using them as example because that is supposedly the team Clark wants to emulate.

I can understand why he is picking the HC first because they are in demand more since 9 teams fired their head coach.

01-01-2013, 10:41 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1388179	Lesson Learned: Clark is Right to Land HC First I think it’s very wise of Clark Hunt to put a priority the selection of the next head coach and not the general manager. Hunt put a priority on selecting the GM in 2009 and he landed his man, but by the time Pioli was in place all of the top coaching candidates were gone forcing the Chiefs to reach on Todd Haley. When you miss out on the top head coaching talent, it impacts the quality of the entire coaching staff. The Chiefs have talent, but without the right coach to focus that talent and lead the team, one doesn’t get the most out of the investment in a high profile GM. While many here believe the presence of Pioli deters high profile free agents, I would say the lack of a legitimate coach with substantial control is what drives them to other teams instead of the chiefs. Would you rather play for a coach who makes the decisions for the team, or a coach who get’s vetoed by an all-powerful GM? I think teams like the Chargers who are going to focus on the GM search before looking at head coach replacements run the risk of missing out on the best coaches. A GM first strategy also adds an unneeded variable to the coach selection. Say we went out and grabbed a Ross or a dude from GB or SF. I’d be happy, but who are they going to get for a HC? Likely a coordinator they have ties to, which means a repeat of the Haley fiasco. I love the fact that Clark is going to get his coach and then sort out the GM stuff. I’ve become a big advocate of Reid and Heckert. Herkert has a long time scouting background and Reid is a QB friendly, franchise type coach we have not had since Marty. Clark is on the right track. Now get it done Mr. Hunt.
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Jobomb Rookie Join Date: Jul 2010 Casino cash: $10004950	I think finding a coach, then a GM who has a working relationship with the coach, is the better play, if you find a good coach.
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ChiefsFan04 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	Keep Pioli but assign him to work concessions next year.
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