Goodbye Redskins and Indians and Braves and Chiefs

[Prison Bitch]

Rick Reilly, Columnist ESPN


Besides, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said last week that if "even one person is offended" on this issue, we need to "listen."

One person?

Got it. Guess we need to listen to people who are offended by the Kansas City Chiefs' name, too. That's one that offends my father-in-law. "You see some little guy wearing a headdress made of chicken feathers," he says, "painting his face up, making a mockery of us. I hate that. Those are things you earn."



Doesn't matter. The 81-year-old Washington Redskins name is falling, and everybody better get out of the way. For the majority of Native Americans who don't care, we'll care for them. For the Native Americans who haven't asked for help, we're glad to give it to them.

Trust us. We know what's best. We'll take this away for your own good, and put up barriers that protect you from ever being harmed again.

Kind of like a reservation.


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[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Strongside

Still got a game and half on your boys.

In all seriousness, I need the crowns to do work tonight against TX.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

Are 100% Swedish?

All Black people can trace their roots to Africa to some degree.

I prefer "Black" myself but, I think when an entire group of people an trace their roots to one place, it doesn't seem that out of place.

My mom is 100%. I'm 50%.

I happen to work with some scientists who have actually had or have residence in Africa, therefor I will gladly consider them African American... because that term describes them properly.

Other than that, I don't care if you are white/black/Michael Jackson/etc... you are simply an American.

[Molitoth]

Sorry for going all DC on you guys, lol. I typically just stay quiet, dunno what's gotten into me today.

I am however, excited to be 3-0.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

My mom is 100%. I'm 50%.

I happen to work with some scientists who have actually had or have residence in Africa, therefor I will gladly consider them African American... because that term describes them properly.

Other than that, I don't care if you are white/black/Michael Jackson/etc... you are simply an American.

I feel you. My dad's from Nigeria so I consider him an "African-American".

I'd rather be called "Black" myself.

But at the same time, It's no secret where the black people (Especially in America) came from. So it really doesn't bother me.

I think we can agree that it's not as douchey as the dudes that wear that "Italia" soccer gear.

Like dude, you've never been on out Staten Island.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Sorry for going all DC on you guys, lol. I typically just stay quiet, dunno what's gotten into me today.

I am however, excited to be 3-0.

LOL! I was about to type the same thing. Almost got DC'd out (no homo?)

[Fish]

Originally Posted by underEJ

I know the Chiefs were named after Bartle, and I don't think at the core it is offensive.

However, as a non-Native American Chiefs fan, I have to say I am completely offended by the head dress and feather wearers and also by the tomahawk chop, not because it has anything to do with race or culture, but because it looks so ****ing stupid.

Stupid=offensive?

I think your post is stupid, and therefore I'm very offended.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe

No, we read it the same way. I know exactly what Reilly's doing. It's bullshit.

It's the "I have a [Native American] friend" defense. It's "here are some cherrypicked & dubiously conducted polls that don't acknowledge the entire nations of Native people who have very recently asked that the name be changed." It's reducto ad absurdium; comparing the Redskins (a racial slur against a historically oppressed people) to the Saints, Angels, Wizards, Fighting Irish (none of which are racial slurs against historically oppressed people) is idiotic. An atheist would be silly to be offended by the Saints or Angels. But believe it or not, there is a line. And that line is racial slurs used against an historically oppressed peoples.

This column is every single tired old argument against changing the Redskins name all rolled into one big ball of shit. And you people are acting like he's said something new and interesting and (I'm gonna puke) courageous.

Some Native Americans might not have a problem with the word. Fine. That's not why we should be changing it. We should be changing it because it's a ****ing disgusting reminder of our ****ing disgusting treatment of the people who were here before us. And we see fit to honor that disgusting treatment by slapping a racial slur on a football jersey. Jesus ****ing Christ, how is this so ****ing hard for some of you?

The Irish were oppressed. Good grief. The lack of European History education is astounding in this country.

I actually have ancestors that were killed by Native Americans. So I don't give a **** what you say. Like I said, as long as Dan Syder is the owner of the Redskins it will continue to be called the Redskins. He's already won the court case. It's over.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

I dunno, I think I would be totally offended if a team was called the Paleskins.

That shit right there is unacceptable.

That would be a slow ass football team.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Rooster

That would be a slow ass football team.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe

Some Native Americans might not have a problem with the word. Fine. That's not why we should be changing it. We should be changing it because it's a ****ing disgusting reminder of our ****ing disgusting treatment of the people who were here before us. And we see fit to honor that disgusting treatment by slapping a racial slur on a football jersey. Jesus ****ing Christ, how is this so ****ing hard for some of you?

The majority of Native Americans are saying "Nah, we're cool. We don't find it offensive." But you don't think that's the point, because it bothers you personally?

Sounds like the problem is with you, bro.....

[Thig Lyfe]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The Irish were oppressed. Good grief. The lack of European History education is astounding in this country.

Yeah, I know. But "Fighting Irish" isn't a racial slur. And the anti-Irish thing in this country kinda went away when racists realized there were more pressing matters to be racist about.

Also, I'm not particularly concerned about American education not being Eurocentric enough.

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I actually have ancestors that were killed by Native Americans.

Okay. Redskins is still a racial slur.

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

So I don't give a **** what you say.

Likewise, friend!

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Like I said, as long as Dan Syder is the owner of the Redskins it will continue to be called the Redskins. He's already won the court case. It's over.

Okay. Redskins is still a racial slur and the name should be changed.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The Irish were oppressed. Good grief. The lack of European History education is astounding in this country.

I actually have ancestors that were killed by Native Americans. So I don't give a **** what you say. Like I said, as long as Dan Syder is the owner of the Redskins it will continue to be called the Redskins. He's already won the court case. It's over.

yes but, but but.....aren't you forgetting the Peter King influence? Won't that latte liberal be able to overthrow the racist 1-percenter Dan Snyder with his blog?

[Thig Lyfe]

Originally Posted by Fish

The majority of Native Americans are saying "Nah, we're cool. We don't find it offensive." But you don't think that's the point, because it bothers you personally?

Sounds like the problem is with you, bro.....

Yeah, my "problem" is being concerned with the historical context of a racial slur.

And again, this perception that the majority of Native Americans are cool with it is dubious at best. Why don't you call up the leaders of the Oneida Indian Nation and ask them how they feel? Or do their feelings on the matter not count because Rick Reilly's father-in-law isn't offended?

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe

Okay. Redskins is still a racial slur and the name should be changed.

Anything could be perceived as a racial slur if someone wants to perceive it that way. Just like anyone could be offended by anything if they want to take offense.

It is impossible to please everyone.

When you hear the term "the pussification of America", this is the kind of shit that defines it. There are more important things in life than getting all bent over a term. Same goes for anything offensive. Move the eff on.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe

Yeah, my "problem" is being concerned with the historical context of a racial slur.

And again, this perception that the majority of Native Americans are cool with it is dubious at best. Why don't you call up the leaders of the Oneida Indian Nation and ask them how they feel? Or do their feelings on the matter not count because Rick Reilly's father-in-law isn't offended?

the term scalp was changed to redskins because....wait for it..women were "offended" by the term used by traders.

Fish is right..this about you and your feelings.