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Kerberos · 05:58 AM

I didn't see this posted yesterday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/traini...ohn&id=4418733

Broncos in tough spot with Marshall

If you thought Josh McDaniels was in a tough spot with the Jay Cutler trade, don't look now.

The Brandon Marshall situation might be worse. The trust between Marshall and the Broncos has been broken on both sides. Marshall doesn't trust the trainers; he doesn't trust the organization. On the flip side, the Broncos don't trust him enough to offer him a contract extension. Trading him would set more precedents for players who might want to leave the Broncos.

What the Broncos need is a face-saving angel, a team willing to trade the equivalent of a No. 1 and No. 4 pick to resolve this situation. Watching the Broncos play the Seahawks on Saturday night, I think the Broncos can get by with three- and four-receiver sets that feature Eddie Royal, Jabar Gaffney, Brandon Stokley and Chad Jackson.

That group of receivers might not be tall, but it's solid enough for Kyle Orton, who is going to operate a quick passing offense out of three- and five-step drops. The problem facing the Broncos is that because their defense is suspect, they probably are going to play a lot of shootouts. Orton is good, but I don't see him winning three games in which the defense surrendered 30 or more points, as Cutler did last season.

Plus, starting in Week 4, the Broncos face an eight-game stretch in which it's going to be hard to win many games. From Oct. 4 to Nov. 26, they face Dallas, New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Washington, San Diego and the Giants. They could lose all eight. Getting value for Marshall, who is in the final year of his contract, is the wise thing to do if McDaniels is going to build the Broncos back into a playoff team.

Marshall would be a great fit on the Ravens or the Jets. If neither team -- or another suitor -- offers a No. 1 and a No. 4, the Broncos will have to keep him, even though his attitude might cause his productivity to drop.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-25-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

I know some teams have big homers, but knowshit is the ultimate homer. I mean hes the only fan i know that can say the broncos have had a successful season. I bet you 99% of the broncos fans would say they had a shitty offseason.

Let's put him and Barry in an 8X10 rubber room and let them slap-fight to the death!

JD10367 · 08-25-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

We traded a QB who makes to many mistakes to take a team anywhere, who was second in the NFL in INT's thrown, and had the worst bad decision percentage of any QB in the NFL.

When he was a Bronco, he was an up-and-comer, one of the best young QBs, and all Denver fans loved him. Now, he's a bum. Bravo.

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We got Kyle Orton, who fits perfectly into what Josh McDaniels wants to do... Who should have NO PROBLEM putting up a better QB Rating than the guy he replaced.

You got Kyle Orton, who was Sloppy Seconds because Little Josh went after Cassell in the 11th hour, way too late, and he was then forced to make whatever deal he could make to ship out the unhappy Cutler.

I won't pretend that I thought very highly of Cutler. He was still touch-and-go from where I sat, and depending upon how it goes in Chicago will determine whether he's heading more towards Drew Bledsoe or more towards Ryan Leaf. But Orton, plugger though he is, is about as game-managing and system-QB as you can get. He's the guy you go to when all else fails, the bland Huard-type of QB who keeps the seat warm.

**Bane** · 08-25-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

When he was a Bronco, he was an up-and-comer, one of the best young QBs, and all Denver fans loved him. Now, he's a bum. Bravo.

You got Kyle Orton, who was Sloppy Seconds because Little Josh went after Cassell in the 11th hour, way too late, and he was then forced to make whatever deal he could make to ship out the unhappy Cutler.

I won't pretend that I thought very highly of Cutler. He was still touch-and-go from where I sat, and depending upon how it goes in Chicago will determine whether he's heading more towards Drew Bledsoe or more towards Ryan Leaf. But Orton, plugger though he is, is about as game-managing and system-QB as you can get. He's the guy you go to when all else fails, the bland Huard-type of QB who keeps the seat warm.

I would have like to seen the reactions of both teams fans at the same time when this deal hit the news wire.How many Bronco fans do you really think were like yeah we got Kyle Orton!!!!!!WOO HOO!!!!!

vailpass · 08-25-2009, 10:03 AM

Ah preseason. The time where you can forget that your team has been at the bottom of the barrel for years. The time where you feel good enough about the upcoming season that you think you are in a position to talk smack about another team. The thime that you believe change has finally come.
Preseason, the very best time to be a Chiefs fan.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-25-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

When he was a Bronco, he was an up-and-comer, one of the best young QBs, and all Denver fans loved him. Now, he's a bum. Bravo.

You got Kyle Orton, who was Sloppy Seconds because Little Josh went after Cassell in the 11th hour, way too late, and he was then forced to make whatever deal he could make to ship out the unhappy Cutler.

I won't pretend that I thought very highly of Cutler. He was still touch-and-go from where I sat, and depending upon how it goes in Chicago will determine whether he's heading more towards Drew Bledsoe or more towards Ryan Leaf. But Orton, plugger though he is, is about as game-managing and system-QB as you can get. He's the guy you go to when all else fails, the bland Huard-type of QB who keeps the seat warm.

I have thought Cutler was the best QB in that draft since the day he was drafted. I hated to see him go to Denver. The great news is that they traded him away.

JD10367 · 08-25-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Ah preseason. The time where you can forget that your team has been at the bottom of the barrel for years. The time where you feel good enough about the upcoming season that you think you are in a position to talk smack about another team. The thime that you believe change has finally come.
Preseason, the very best time to be a Chiefs fan.

"This is the year!"

On the other hand, maybe Carl was Lucy.

dj56dt58 · 08-25-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerberos

That group of receivers might not be tall, but it's solid enough for Kyle Orton, who is going to be throwing the ball to the other team anyways

Fixed

**Bane** · 08-25-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

"This is the year!"

On the other hand, maybe Carl was Lucy.

dj56dt58 · 08-25-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Yep Knowshon has a 1-2 week injury. But he didn't have a significant injury in college and rarely takes a big shot. He will be ready week 1 of the regular season, and is the favorite to win rookie of the year.

wow..before taking one snap in a regular season game? And without any resemblance of a quarterback? Good Luck with that

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-25-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Ah preseason. The time where you can forget that your team has been at the bottom of the barrel for years. The time where you feel good enough about the upcoming season that you think you are in a position to talk smack about another team. The thime that you believe change has finally come.
Preseason, the very best time to be a Chiefs fan.

Only the Detroit Lion fans while Matt Millen was still in charge wouldn't have room to criticize this pathetic offseason that the Broncos have had.

Oh, and to review.... McDaniels covets our QB. He traded away a 26 year old Pro Bowl QB. I am sure he was not going to get any better, huh? Orton has been in the league longer than Cutler and has NEVER had a passer rating in any season as high as Cutler's in any season.

Yeah, the Chiefs sucked last year... and the year before.

That is why they changed GM and HC.

The fact that our GM/HC upgraded our QB... and your's downgraded the Broncos QB..... puts the early returns clearly in the Chiefs favor.

Only myopic Bronco fans miss that. It isn't like the Fans in here are saying anything that the Bronco's own beatwriters aren't saying.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-25-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

Fixed

ClevelandBronco · 08-25-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kerberos

I...

How did you manage to edit that?

BigChiefFan · 08-25-2009, 10:17 AM

Anybody that thinks Orton has more upside than Cutler has lost their mind.

Kerberos · 08-25-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bane_58

I would have like to seen the reactions of both teams fans at the same time when this deal hit the news wire.How many Bronco fans do you really think were like yeah we got Kyle Orton!!!!!!WOO HOO!!!!!

I know of at least 1

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-25-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Ah preseason. The time where you can forget that your team has been reduced to the bottom of the AFC West barrel. The time where you can feel good and pretend that you won't get ass-raped by the Faiders in regular season play. The time you can believe that the changes brought to your already Clownshoe Franchise really ARE for the best!
Preseason, the very best time to be a pseudo-witty Donko Fan named Fail Ass.

Fixed it, bitch.

08-25-2009, 04:09 AM
Kerberos Chiefs Baby Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Henderson, NV Casino cash: $10000632	The Broncos futility continues I didn't see this posted yesterday. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/traini...ohn&id=4418733 Broncos in tough spot with Marshall If you thought Josh McDaniels was in a tough spot with the Jay Cutler trade, don't look now. The Brandon Marshall situation might be worse. The trust between Marshall and the Broncos has been broken on both sides. Marshall doesn't trust the trainers; he doesn't trust the organization. On the flip side, the Broncos don't trust him enough to offer him a contract extension. Trading him would set more precedents for players who might want to leave the Broncos. What the Broncos need is a face-saving angel, a team willing to trade the equivalent of a No. 1 and No. 4 pick to resolve this situation. Watching the Broncos play the Seahawks on Saturday night, I think the Broncos can get by with three- and four-receiver sets that feature Eddie Royal, Jabar Gaffney, Brandon Stokley and Chad Jackson. That group of receivers might not be tall, but it's solid enough for Kyle Orton, who is going to operate a quick passing offense out of three- and five-step drops. The problem facing the Broncos is that because their defense is suspect, they probably are going to play a lot of shootouts. Orton is good, but I don't see him winning three games in which the defense surrendered 30 or more points, as Cutler did last season. Plus, starting in Week 4, the Broncos face an eight-game stretch in which it's going to be hard to win many games. From Oct. 4 to Nov. 26, they face Dallas, New England, San Diego, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Washington, San Diego and the Giants. They could lose all eight. Getting value for Marshall, who is in the final year of his contract, is the wise thing to do if McDaniels is going to build the Broncos back into a playoff team. Marshall would be a great fit on the Ravens or the Jets. If neither team -- or another suitor -- offers a No. 1 and a No. 4, the Broncos will have to keep him, even though his attitude might cause his productivity to drop. Last edited by Kerberos; 08-25-2009 at 05:58 AM..
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