Woody Paige says McDaniels and Xanders should be fired in Denver

[Hammock Parties]

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Broncos blow call on Cutler fiasco

The Broncos have lost quarterback Jay Cutler.

If Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders were thinking, even for a microsecond, about trading Jay Cutler, both must be fired today by Pat Bowlen. If the Broncos' owner was a co-conspirator in such a preposterous, outrageous thought, he should fire himself.

Do not suffer the fools gladly. They obviously know not what they do.

The Broncos' new hierarchy has lost Cutler's respect, his excitement about free agents just signed, his enthusiasm for a restructured offense and a totally retooled defense, his commitment to the team, his determination to make the Broncos a power again in the NFL and his efforts to prove his value. He has lost the certainty of being in Denver.

"I'm upset. I mean, I'm really shocked at this point," Cutler told The Post's Mike Klis on Saturday afternoon. The quarterback then said he didn't think the matter was settled, and he could still be traded.

The Pro Bowl quarterback wasn't any more stunned than everyone else in Colorado and throughout the nation when it was reported Saturday that his name was mentioned prominently — front and center — in a trade involving the Tampa Bay Bucs, the New England Patriots, the Detroit Lions, No. 1 draft choices and Matt Cassel.

The last time we heard of such an extreme, ludicrous deal, the Broncos got John Elway for a No. 1 draft pick, a reserve quarterback and three exhibition games between Denver and Baltimore. (Really). But the Broncos were on the right side then.

This is the wrong message, wrong time, wrong thought, wrong men at the wheel.

McDaniels admitted the Broncos have been approached about trading Cutler, but said the quarterback was "not the only person in the last few days we've received calls on." We don't care if somebody called about a backup defensive end.

All the new coach should have said was: "We were asked about Cutler. We responded that under no conditions, in no uncertain terms, would we even ever talk about trading Cutler."

Maybe there is, after all, a problem with being a young, inexperienced head coach.

Or maybe McDaniels was contemplating a trade of Cutler for Cassel, who had a very good year with the New Eng- land Patriots, but could be a one-year wonder.

If the Patriots had talked about Tom Brady for Cutler, well . . . but there would be no reason for the Broncos to talk to Tampa Bay about anything. And if the Detroit Lions wanted to talk about giving up their entire draft, including the No. 1 pick, for Cutler, then you listen.

And where is the new general manager — reading his X-files? Xanders, who has been slow to figure out his job, should have been on the phones Saturday afternoon to The Post denying that the Broncos would ever think about trading Cutler, and on the phone to Cutler apologizing for any misconceptions and begging for forgiveness. But the X-Man's on-the-job training apparently didn't prepare him for complicated situations.

And what did Bowlen know and when? The owner claims the responsibility for the Broncos runs to the top. He should have been providing explanations, not hiding behind a desk like Nixon.

This is a total mucked-up mess, and the Broncos' brass didn't know how to handle it.

Oh, it can and should be said that Cutler is a petulant sort who pouts when he doesn't get his way — on the field and in the community, and he can be a lout. He has to realize this is the NFL, and stuff will happen. He was all hot and bothered when Mike Shanahan and his guide, Jeremy Bates, were flipped aside for McDaniels and The Brave New Direction. But Cutler supposedly got over it and moved on. Peyton Manning will be playing for his third coach. Joe Montana was kicked out the door. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have been traded.

Then, there was the matter of Elway. After the '91 season, then-coach Dan Reeves wanted to get rid of Elway. He told me and others that Elway couldn't or wouldn't read defenses and couldn't or wouldn't win a Super Bowl.

Elway and Reeves weren't on the same page, not in the same universe. They barely coexisted.

A deal with the Redskins fell through during the summer. Bowlen chose Elway over Reeves and fired the coach. Elway eventually won two Super Bowls.

Cutler is in Elway's shadow, but not in his standing yet, and likely will never be. Defensive backs and his ego get in the way of too many of Cutler's passes. But he is a quality young quarterback and the class of 2006. Rather have Vince Young or Matt Leinart now? And Cassel is a sand castle in comparison.

Cutler shouldn't be traded. When somebody calls about Jay, Kid Mac or the X-Man should hang up.

And the face of your franchise should not be treated like ground beef. McDaniels, who must be running the team, not Xanders or Bowlen, should have gone to Cutler's house and said: "Jay, Tampa Bay, Detroit and New England came to us, and I told them to go spit in their helmets. You're my guy."

Or maybe McDaniels was lying when he told me: "I hope Jay is as excited about playing for me as I am excited about having him as my quarterback."

McDaniels must get this predicament settled today. We don't really care if the Broncos signed a couple of backup running backs and a veteran (maybe too veteran) safety with a proud past and a — be still, our hearts — a long snapper to a three-year contract. This team starts and stops with Cutler.

What were they thinking? They weren't thinking. The Broncos need to go find Jay Cutler.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Cutler is in a group of young QBs that have played well, have nice stats and have done nothing in the playoffs... see Rivers and Romo for two other selections to that group. Some will say that Cutler doesn't belong in the same conversation as Rivers and Romo, but all I ask is what's the real difference in the 3 of them? Neither of them has done anything of note in the playoffs.

Well, Rivers has actually won a few games. Cutler, right now, is a guy who to me turns the ball over way too much, and at the worst times. McDaniels probably saw this too and was thinking he prefers a guy without a loud mouth who will take care of the ball...

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by MGRS13

Rivers is better, you know the whole playing in and winning play off games is what matters. And even Romo has made it to the play offs so you have to put him slightly above Cutler. Of course they all fail to compare to Eli, you can throw out all the stats you want. Eli showed up when it mattered and until any of the others get a ring they aren't in the conversation.

So, riddle me this... Plummer played in and won playoff games in AZ and in Denver, so is he better than Rivers or Romo?

I get what you're saying, but in my opinion they're all huddled up in the same grouping of NFL QBs until one of them proves they are consistently great and their teams win in the playoffs.

[wild1]

you can't judge a QB on wins in the playoffs alone. he's just a part of that equation. by that logic dan marino would be significantly inferior to jim kelly.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Well, Rivers has actually won a few games. Cutler, right now, is a guy who to me turns the ball over way too much, and at the worst times. McDaniels probably saw this too and was thinking he prefers a guy without a loud mouth who will take care of the ball...

Hey, Rivers is 2-1 in the playoffs and you can't take that from him... it didn't hurt that he had a nice defense and a guy named LT rushing for more than 3200 yards and 43 TDs during those seasons either. That goes back to my "it's a team" statement.

What happened in 2008? LT fell off the map, their team struggled and they won a weak AFCW at 8-8.

In 2008, Cutler had nice stats... the team as a whole sucked. Cutler threw for more than 4500 yds, 25 TDs and 18 INTs... too high on the INTs.

Cassell threw for nearly 3700 yds, 21 TDs and 11 INTs. Very nice stats with a much better team in a tougher division and they didn't advance with 11 wins.

Rivers had just over 4,000 yards... 34 TDs and only 11 INTs - very very good season and he was the reason they won for the most part. It was Rivers' 5th season and he broke out with the best year statistically that he has had in SD.

Cutler was in his 3rd season in 2008... so, he's in the same developmental learning curve that Rivers has progressed through at this point in their careers. So, I'm not concerned at all about his upside. The Broncos have a lot of talent on offense and I like the future with Cutler.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by wild1

you can't judge a QB on wins in the playoffs alone. he's just a part of that equation. by that logic dan marino would be significantly inferior to jim kelly.

Ok, but people are wanting to do that with regular season success... my whole point is that it is a team deal, but as we all know the blame and success falls to the HC and the QB.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

LOL, well it's true..not to mention Cutler looks like he has the personality and desire of a wet towel for all his talent I'm not sure you can ever win with your team leader having that personality.

Cutler never had a winning season in college and he hasn't had a winning season in the NFL.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cutler never had a winning season in college and he hasn't had a winning season in the NFL.

Heh... guess they should bench him. I like how folks mix in when to use the 'team' aspect of this scenario. Cutler was the SEC offensive player of the year once, very tough to achieve on a sucky team. And, he's played well in the NFL so far.

2009 is his 3rd full year as 'the starting QB'... I like the future.

[KcMizzou]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Heh... guess they should bench him.

Or trade him.

[MGRS13]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

So, riddle me this... Plummer played in and won playoff games in AZ and in Denver, so is he better than Rivers or Romo?

I get what you're saying, but in my opinion they're all huddled up in the same grouping of NFL QBs until one of them proves they are consistently great and their teams win in the playoffs.

So far I would say Plummer proved he was better then what Romo has done thus far. Rivers on the other hand has proven time and time again to be much better then Plummer. Yes they are all huddled together I agree but giving what he did last year you have to put Cassel in that group. taking plummer out of the argument I think it would have to be.....
1. Manning
then a drop off....
2.Rivers
3.Romo
4.a. Cutler, b. Cassel

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by MGRS13

So far I would say Plummer proved he was better then what Romo has done thus far. Rivers on the other hand has proven time and time again to be much better then Plummer. Yes they are all huddled together I agree but giving what he did last year you have to put Cassel in that group. taking plummer out of the argument I think it would have to be.....
1. Manning
then a drop off....
2.Rivers
3.Romo
4.a. Cutler, b. Cassel

There's a half dozen or so QBs in that mix... we'll see how Cassel does outside of NE in his new environment, it's a bit of a change. KC will make a number of moves to improve... Bowe and Gonzo are great targets, so we'll see what happens.

[MGRS13]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

There's a half dozen or so QBs in that mix... we'll see how Cassel does outside of NE in his new environment, it's a bit of a change. KC will make a number of moves to improve... Bowe and Gonzo are great targets, so we'll see what happens.

Once again agreed. Cassel won't have the WR's he had in NE, no one can argue that. But even if you only believe Cassel is a "system QB"(and I'm not saying this is your argument-but it is mine)he is going to be playing in that same system. Time will tell. The season will be a lot more exciting. All of this being said right now Cutler is in the better spot, even if Cassel picks up right where he left off he won't have half the line or any where near the weapons he had in NE. Unless of course you guys are willing to do Pioli a favor and give us a certain WR for a second rounder, ha ha.

[Mile High Mania]

Ha! I would like to keep the DEN offense as it is... only adding to it, not subtracting.

I think KC has a hell of a QB in the making, once they get the system set and the players upgraded at a few spots... look out. KC and Denver are on the road to improvement, SD will be good again and Oakland... well, who knows.

I like the directions that our two teams seem to be going, I would like to see the AFCW once again be dominant.

[MGRS13]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ha! I would like to keep the DEN offense as it is... only adding to it, not subtracting.

I think KC has a hell of a QB in the making, once they get the system set and the players upgraded at a few spots... look out. KC and Denver are on the road to improvement, SD will be good again and Oakland... well, who knows.

I like the directions that our two teams seem to be going, I would like to see the AFCW once again be dominant.

Its gonna be fun. Their is getting to be a lot of young talent in the AFCW across the board. Could be just as many wow moments as what the hell was he doing moments.

[orange]

Originally Posted by Mecca

At least mine doesn't make me look like a cross between a stoner and a child molester.

Excuse me, but I don't buy that at all. I've had long hair about 60% of the time since 1970 and whenever it's long, I'm constantly approached by drug peddlars.

You DO look like the stoner half of that whether you want to admit it or not.

[orange]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

how's it make you feel to know that your HC wants our QB?

How does it feel knowing your two-year scheming and dreaming for a hot new DRAFTED quarterback of KC's very own has come up ashes?

Should the Drafturbators now be known as the Castrubators?