Green = Grbac?

[The Rick]

According to Jeffrey Flanagan he does...statistically anyway.

Uh-oh! Grbac and Green have eerily similar statistics

JEFFREY FLANAGAN

Perhaps Elvis Grbac never really left the building.

Elvis Grbac is Trent Green.

Seriously, their statistics are frighteningly similar — virtually identical in some areas.

• Grbac was here four years and was 26-22 as a starter. Green is in his fourth year and is 30-29 as a starter.

• Both quarterbacks started one playoff game here, both losses. Grbac had a 94.4 passer rating in his loss; Green had a 92.6 passer rating in his loss.

• Grbac threw for a touchdown once in every 23.45 passes here. Green has thrown for a touchdown once in every 23.02 passes.

• Grbac threw an interception once in every 32 passes. Green has thrown an interception once in every 32 passes.

• Grbac completed 58 percent of his passes here. Green has completed 61 percent of his passes.

• Green's cumulative numbers for touchdowns and yards are higher than Grbac's, simply because he has played more games. Green averages 7.7 yards per attempt, Grbac 6.9.

One can easily argue that Green has had more weapons, too. Grbac didn't have Priest Holmes or what some say is the league's best offensive line.

Grbac also didn't benefit from the imaginative play-calling of Al Saunders. Grbac was stuck with Paul Hackett and Jimmy Raye.

There is one other striking similarity. Both quarterbacks have a signature end-of-the-game play.

For Grbac, it was throwing the ball 15 yards short of the first down, hoping the receiver could miraculously break 20 tackles to keep the drive alive. For Green, it's taking a sack.

We will allow Green this much: He's never taken a cheap shot at his receivers, like Grbac did.

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People still refer to NFL schedules as “soft” or “hard,” when in reality it's been years since each divisional team's schedule fluctuated much.

For example, the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders and Chargers all play the same opponents, except for two.

This year, the Chiefs, based on winning the AFC West last year, had to play the champs of the AFC East (New England) and the AFC North (Baltimore). It just so happens that those two teams have a combined 17-5 record.

The Raiders drew Pittsburgh and Buffalo, who are a combined 15-7.

The Broncos drew Miami and Cincinnati, both having disappointing years while combining for a 7-15 mark.

The Chargers had the Browns and Jets, who are a combined 11-11.

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Former Chief Nick Lowery didn't make the recent cutdown from 90 to 25 in the voting for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and that doesn't sit well with those who appreciate the skill of kicking in the NFL.

The Hall of Fame has just one kicker inducted — Jan Stenerud — and zero punters, not even Ray Guy.

Lowery finished his career with 383 field goals, third most in NFL history behind Gary Anderson (533) and Morten Andersen (515).

The best kicker in the game today, New England's Adam Vinatieri, strongly believes it's time that kickers and punters start literally kicking down the doors of the Hall.

“Guy should be in there,” Vinatieri told the Boston Globe. “Lowery should be in there. Both the Andersons (sic) should be, too. You play over 20 years and score 2,000 points and there's no place for you in the Hall of Fame? Maybe in the back somewhere? Come on, now.”

To reach Jeffrey Flanagan call (816) 234-4492 and leave a message or email jflanagan@kcstar.com

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[Hammock Parties]

THIS THREAD IS DEPRESSING

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by UserName

I'm not sure I fully take your meaning.

Green didn't choke AT ALL in that playoff game. Grbac choked like a beyotch in his.

My point is that he didn't get a chance to. Doesn't mean he will. Doesn't mean he won't. Means it's still an unknown variable.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

My point is that he didn't get a chance to. Doesn't mean he will. Doesn't mean he won't. Means it's still an unknown variable.

OK I see your point now.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

There are thing in each of Schottenheimer's playoff loses where, if they'd have gone a little different, we'd have been in the SB.

No. The Chiefs would have advanced to the second round in most cases.

[HC_Chief]

Grbac = aloof dipshit with zero leadership ability
Green = stand-up, take-charge guy with tons of leadership ability

There's the main difference.

[FAX]

Plus, Grbac was way ahead of Trent in the gangly rating.

FAX

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Grbac = aloof dipshit with zero leadership ability
Green = stand-up, take-charge guy with tons of leadership ability

There's the main difference.

Any truth to the rumor we're bringing in Rudy Guiliani as our QBOTF?

[BigRedChief]

Marty had lost the team. He had to go. The players wern't buying what he was selling.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by UserName

THIS THREAD IS DEPRESSING

This has been a depressing 3 1/2 decades.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

There is all the difference in the world between playing catch up and playing for the win.
There are thing in each of Schottenheimer's playoff loses where, if they'd have gone a little different, we'd have been in the SB. How come Green gets the what if pass and Schottenheimer [and even Grbac] gets the what if brush off?

Ask yourself what is the common denominator that both of them share?

As have 2 other coaches and at least 2 other QBs????

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

Ask yourself what is the common denominator that both of them share?

As have 2 other coaches and at least 2 other QBs????

DAMMIT, CARL!!







sheesh, I REALLY hate agreeing with Duh-nese...

[Demonpenz]

I tried to see how good grbac would be with the 04 chiefs offense. So i created him in madden 2005, but sadly there is no slider for "Size of vagina" so i think the experiment will be off alittle bit

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I tried to see how good grbac would be with the 04 chiefs offense. So i created him in madden 2005, but sadly there is no slider for "Size of vagina" so i think the experiment will be off alittle bit

, teh rep.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

FTR - I am not as down on Green as it probably appears in reaction to this thread. I am simply trying to get my head around the schizophrenic nature of some Chiefs fans.
Schottenheimer gave us consistently quality results, and a philosophy at least I could be proud of, but not the ultimate results. So he's a loser and has to go.
But when it comes to DV and Trent, just being telegenic and flashing all those 'intangibles' is just fine, regardless of how crappy a team we have.
Do we have standards or don't we? And are those standards tied to the traditional markers for success in competitive sport, or merely a warm feeling in the belly?

needs to be quoted again...



is it the best player/coach or just the one we think is "prettiest"

[KCWolfman]

So far the only real difference I have read is "Green has intangibles". Green also has a better RB and better OLine. Grbac had a better defense, but that didn't help him directly.

The stats say they are virtually the same. I know that pisses off a lot of people here, but there will be no "intangible" stat 20 years from now to show us the difference.