Life Father Nearly Beats His 2 Year Old to Death Teaching Him to Box - Page 5

Deberg_1990 · 08-05-2010, 10:07 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/05/...ex.html?hpt=T2

Miami, Florida (CNN) -- A Florida man who admitted to the near-fatal beating of his 2-year-old son while teaching him how to box remained behind bars Thursday after a judge charged him with second-degree murder and denied him bond.

Lee Willie Dejesus, 23, of Homestead, appeared in court Wednesday night wearing a green protective vest, reserved for those on suicide watch, reported CNN affiliate WFOR.

His son -- identified by CNN affiliate WSVN as Willy Brown -- was on life support Wednesday and not expected to recover from his injuries, said Ed Griffith, spokesman for the Miami-Dade state attorney's office.

Prosecutors said they plan to file first-degree murder charges once the child dies.

Miami-Dade police said Dejesus was watching the child while his mother was at work Monday night.

He told police that he put on boxing gloves and struck the child about 15 times on his face, head, torso and shoulders over a period of 15 minutes, punching him so hard at one point that the boy fell off the bed and struck his head on the tile floor.

The child was rushed to Children's Hospital where he underwent surgery for bleeding on the brain. Griffith said the boy may be brain dead.

A criminal complaint alleges that Dejesus waited to call for medical help for as long as an hour after the boy became unresponsive.

He eventually called 911 after the boy's lips became blue, according to the complaint.

Dejesus initially told police that the boy was beaten by a babysitter before admitting he did it, the complaint says.

allen_kcCard · 08-05-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I don't take "playing with my 2 year old" to mean the same thing as "teaching him to box".

There aren't quotes from the father. He could have said the words teaching him to box in many ways, or those could be words that were applied to the story by a reporter trying to demonize the guy from something that happened where he made a (very) bad judgement call and something (very) bad happened.

wutamess · 08-05-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefPote

I normally wouldn't comment on another statement such as this one....but, YOU CAN"T BE SERIOUS?? Even play boxing with a 2 year old is very odd. Try teaching him something constructive....how about his alphabet? Try some number games, anything but violence at 2 years old.

Great, I'll get my kids all sorts of reading books at 2... That'll work and is WAY more constructive. Maybe I can take him to the library 24-7 also. Do they have libraries that stay open 24 hours. I bet that'd be a riot with a 2yo!

Dude... kids at 2 like to play. they like 1 on 1 playful interaction... Not reading a fuggin book! GFY!

**Donger** · 08-05-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Justify? Hardly. All I am saying is that there are plenty of people in this world with bad judgment. That doesn't make them murderers.

Clearly there was a crime done here. The severity of the crime is what I question.

Then we don't disagree.

wutamess · 08-05-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I don't take "playing with my 2 year old" to mean the same thing as "teaching him to box".

You fuggers can be so narrow minded... What if he was a boxer teaching his son the ropes? Would that make it more plausible for you guys?

Damn stop getting caught up in stupid shit and understand the overall situation.

**Donger** · 08-05-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

My 2yr old daughter wants to wrestle and "fight" all the time. If I lay on the floor at home, odds are I'm seconds away from getting piled on by my 2 and or 4 year old. My nephews have wanted to box or more appropriate "slap fight" since they were probably 2. Always in fun, they growl and grunt but its a game.

I'd never support someone punching a 2 year old, and if they were hard blows the guy should get his medicine. If "strikes" means little slaps that caused a kid he was playing with to fall off of the bed and brain himself, I guess I see it as bad judgement and luck.

I get what wutta is saying.

I would imagine they will be able to ascertain the extent of the child's injuries before he fell. What is he's covered with bruises and welts that happened before the fall?

Like I said, I play fight with my kids, but it didn't even occur to me to do so until they were much older.

Deberg_1990 · 08-05-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

I'm not arguing it was bad judgement... I'm saying lets not paint him as a freaking torturer when all he was probably doing was playing with his kids. I'd hate to be THAT GUY! Don't judge him so harshly if he doesn't deserve it.

Hell just like Allen_KC... my daughter was 3 or 4 yo and she'd hit and run and I'd throw a pillow while she was running... After 10-15 times, I caught her at just the right time... her momentum carried her into the bed frame and she hit her eye. Lesson learned but I also didn't call 911. That was 2001 now I know what to be careflu of while playing but I was young and shit happened.

you bring up some decent points. There are alot of fathers out there who dont understand how to be a responsible parent. We all make mistakes from time to time, but i do think this guy should have known his actions were excessive. Its too bad the child had to pay for it with his life.

**Donger** · 08-05-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Dude... kids at 2 like to play. they like 1 on 1 playful interaction... Not reading a fuggin book! GFY!

Both my kids were reading at 18 months. I also played with them. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

**Donger** · 08-05-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

You fuggers can be so narrow minded... What if he was a boxer teaching his son the ropes? Would that make it more plausible for you guys?

Damn stop getting caught up in stupid shit and understand the overall situation.

Why on Earth would a two year old need to be "taught the ropes?"

Pants · 08-05-2010, 10:59 AM

100% with wutamess on this. An article can definitely make a "tap" into a "strike" because a tap is technically a very weak strike. Also, 15 punches over 15 minutes averages to about 1 strike per minute. Throw your hand right now and wait a minute to do so again. Yeah, that's a pretty low frequency. It sounds to me like the dad tapped the son and this time the boy fell off the bed, struck his head on the floor and that caused the brain hemorrhage.

Why do you think the dude is wearing a suicide vest? It's probably not because he's happy with himself. Bad judgment and bad luck = manslaughter, not murder.

ToxSocks · 08-05-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

My 2yr old daughter wants to wrestle and "fight" all the time. If I lay on the floor at home, odds are I'm seconds away from getting piled on by my 2 and or 4 year old. My nephews have wanted to box or more appropriate "slap fight" since they were probably 2. Always in fun, they growl and grunt but its a game.

I'd never support someone punching a 2 year old, and if they were hard blows the guy should get his medicine. If "strikes" means little slaps that caused a kid he was playing with to fall off of the bed and brain himself, I guess I see it as bad judgement and luck.

I get what wutta is saying.

this.

I have a 3 yr old. I don't recall ever play fighting with him at 2, but at 3 he LOVES it.

However, No hitting in the face, ever. It's our rule. He understands it. He punches me, laughes, and I give him some light taps to the shoulders and torso, he laughes and charges at me. We wrestle on the bed, all in good fun.

He has come close to falling, but i've always been there to catch him. If, however, i didn't catch him and he fell, then yeah, I'd feel like a pretty shitty parent.

wutamess · 08-05-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Both my kids were reading at 18 months. I also played with them. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Another fuggin point missed. First of all, we agree. My point is there's more things kids like to do than read all the freagin time.

You get (however long you've been a member of CP) parent of the year consecutively Donger. Job well done.

wutamess · 08-05-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Why on Earth would a two year old need to be "taught the ropes?"

Well they're taught the ropes in learning to read before 2 aren't they?
They learn how to throw, speak... It's all relative.

BIG_DADDY · 08-05-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Most kids are just walking at two, BD. There's a difference between two and three.

He learned striking at two, but I would never actually strike him, that's friggen reeruned. I guess the guy thought he was making his kid tough obviously he is a complete idiot.

**Iowanian** · 08-05-2010, 11:03 AM

No one would want harsher punishment for the guy than I would if he abused the child...if he was punching him.....he deserves punishment, but I don't honestly think it should be a murder charge unless he was swinging to harm the child on purpose....

To put it in perspective, my family has always been roughhousers...my brother and I fought like wild people starting at 2-3, we wrestled competitively starting at 5 and I suppose the last time one of us was in a headlock on my mom's living room floor, I might have been 30. My folks have a 12'x12' wrestling mat in the basement.

From the time they were babies, each kid has seen the older boys roughhouse/wrestle/fight with the uncles and fathers....always in fun.
It's not uncommon for 5-6 kids to be piled up on one of us, and sometimes, they bump heads, or fall off the pile.

When they're old enough to crawl, they tend to make a break for the pileup of kids and want to participate.

My 2yr old can count to 20 and knows the alphabet, but she sure as hell likes to roar like a bear and pile on for "the business".

I'm not supporting what this guy did and I think it's terrible that the kid was hurt, but I can relate to the people who aren't aghast at the thought of roughhousing with a 2yr old.

wutamess · 08-05-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

He learned striking at two, but I would never actually strike him, that's friggen reeruned. I guess the guy thought he was making his kid tough obviously he is a complete idiot.

Big Daddy! What's up man? Haven't seen you on here in a while. What's new in your world? (not being facetious either)

08-05-2010, 10:07 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $2534454	Father Nearly Beats His 2 Year Old to Death Teaching Him to Box http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/05/...ex.html?hpt=T2 Miami, Florida (CNN) -- A Florida man who admitted to the near-fatal beating of his 2-year-old son while teaching him how to box remained behind bars Thursday after a judge charged him with second-degree murder and denied him bond. Lee Willie Dejesus, 23, of Homestead, appeared in court Wednesday night wearing a green protective vest, reserved for those on suicide watch, reported CNN affiliate WFOR. His son -- identified by CNN affiliate WSVN as Willy Brown -- was on life support Wednesday and not expected to recover from his injuries, said Ed Griffith, spokesman for the Miami-Dade state attorney's office. Prosecutors said they plan to file first-degree murder charges once the child dies. Miami-Dade police said Dejesus was watching the child while his mother was at work Monday night. He told police that he put on boxing gloves and struck the child about 15 times on his face, head, torso and shoulders over a period of 15 minutes, punching him so hard at one point that the boy fell off the bed and struck his head on the tile floor. The child was rushed to Children's Hospital where he underwent surgery for bleeding on the brain. Griffith said the boy may be brain dead. A criminal complaint alleges that Dejesus waited to call for medical help for as long as an hour after the boy became unresponsive. He eventually called 911 after the boy's lips became blue, according to the complaint. Dejesus initially told police that the boy was beaten by a babysitter before admitting he did it, the complaint says.
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08-05-2010, 10:59 AM	#69
Pants Time Keeps On Slipping Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5159900	100% with wutamess on this. An article can definitely make a "tap" into a "strike" because a tap is technically a very weak strike. Also, 15 punches over 15 minutes averages to about 1 strike per minute. Throw your hand right now and wait a minute to do so again. Yeah, that's a pretty low frequency. It sounds to me like the dad tapped the son and this time the boy fell off the bed, struck his head on the floor and that caused the brain hemorrhage. Why do you think the dude is wearing a suicide vest? It's probably not because he's happy with himself. Bad judgment and bad luck = manslaughter, not murder. __________________ "Turn the channel to 26!"
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08-05-2010, 11:03 AM	#74
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $3818454	No one would want harsher punishment for the guy than I would if he abused the child...if he was punching him.....he deserves punishment, but I don't honestly think it should be a murder charge unless he was swinging to harm the child on purpose.... To put it in perspective, my family has always been roughhousers...my brother and I fought like wild people starting at 2-3, we wrestled competitively starting at 5 and I suppose the last time one of us was in a headlock on my mom's living room floor, I might have been 30. My folks have a 12'x12' wrestling mat in the basement. From the time they were babies, each kid has seen the older boys roughhouse/wrestle/fight with the uncles and fathers....always in fun. It's not uncommon for 5-6 kids to be piled up on one of us, and sometimes, they bump heads, or fall off the pile. When they're old enough to crawl, they tend to make a break for the pileup of kids and want to participate. My 2yr old can count to 20 and knows the alphabet, but she sure as hell likes to roar like a bear and pile on for "the business". I'm not supporting what this guy did and I think it's terrible that the kid was hurt, but I can relate to the people who aren't aghast at the thought of roughhousing with a 2yr old.
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