If Grbac has a bad year, will the Chiefs go after Trent Green? - Page 5

TEX · 09-07-2000, 12:47 AM

Lets say that Grbac really has a bad year. In Raye's offense, that wouldn't surprise me especially if we fall behind early and often this season. Would the Chiefs pursue Trent Green? Or if Grbac was released, would the cap hit be too much. Could he be traded for Green and back up Warner. Again are the dollars involved too high here too? Wpuld Al Saundars come back to be the Chiefs OC? Any thoughts?

G_Man · 09-07-2000, 08:11 PM

nmt1 - You [b]are[/b] joking, right? Because Al Saunders picked up a ring as a recievers coach on a team loaded with talent and a great mind at OC, he suddenly qualifies for HC/GM? He'd be happy to get an OC job, I'd think.

G_Man · 09-07-2000, 08:17 PM

As for HC, I found this (from bergen.com):

Giants offensive coordinator Sean Payton says it's a little premature for him to be considered a head coaching prospect. "I've only been a coordinator for one game," he said.

But after Kansas City coach Gunther Cunningham reportedly told his players he might retire, The Kansas City Star came up with a list of potential replacements. Payton was on the list. "There are a lot of qualified candidates with more experience than me," he said. "And I'd like to know how that list was compiled, anyway."

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Actually, I thought he had coordinated a few games last year too. Maybe not under the official OC title. I seem to remember when allowed to call plays, the Giants offense greatly improved. Just throwing out a name. If we do get a new HC next year, I hope it's an offensive-minded one.

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TheFly · 09-07-2000, 08:18 PM

No sense going after a quarterback until ALL of the coaching staff (and Peterson) are replaced...

Yosef_Malkovitch · 09-07-2000, 09:35 PM

EG is the least of our problems. I know he's not exactly HOF material, but if everyone else did their jobs as well as he does his (like NOT dropping passes all the time) then we'd be 9-7 or 10-6. I don't think it's fair to blame him for ONE mistake when our D is known around the league as "the sieve" and our RB's get 8 yards in 6 carries.

Our coaching staff is a FAR worse problem than EG.

TEX · 09-07-2000, 11:22 PM

Milkman,
FINALLY someone agrees with me on the Jeff Diomand for GM selection!

Yos,
I agree that EG is NOT the most pressing problem on offense. IMO, It starts with managements approval of the RRBC and NOT going after a LEGIT RB and it ends with the IDIOT in the booth. I don't like Grbac's decision making process at times but it sure isn't made easier by the NEANDERTHAL approach to football - Jimmy Raye style! I'd like to see what he could do WITH a game -breaker in the backfield. It just boggles my brain!

09-08-2000, 08:14 AM

TX:

I think we've got a good RB on this roster in Frank Moreau. For that reason, I lay the sole blame on the coaching staff. Not only do they call bogus plays, but they can't evaluate talent either.

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[i]Jimmy Raye for President...anything to get him out of Kansas City[/i]
[i]More Moreau</I>

Gaz · 09-08-2000, 09:28 AM

Grbac is not the biggest problem on Offense. He was the biggest problem early last season, culminating in his disastrous performance in the San Diego game. But he improved last season to the point where he is an asset rather than a liability.

It is true that I do not think he is franchise QB material, but he could be adequate with three changes:

1. An OC with even half a clue.
2. A featured HB.
3. Renegotiate to lose that obscene bonus.

Raye had several chances to show he is qualified as OC. He failed every time. Raye remains the major stumbling block in our Offense. We will not improve until he is gone.

We tried Richardson at FB and discovered that we miss his blocking very much. Keep Richardson at FB and play Moreau at HB. Give him lots of carries and do not pull him out if he can still stand. We might have a featured HB on our roster, but we would never know it with the RBbC mentality.

If we get a new OC next season, and Moreau proves that he can be a featured HB, then Grbac might again rise to our weakest link. Right now, he is a distant third, once that bonus is gone.

xoxo~
gaz
reluctant Grbacker.<BR>

Cannibal · 09-08-2000, 10:00 AM

I am sorry if I seem a little PO'd… but this is horse****!

Grbac is nothing but an average QB. He should be a backup. He'll never take a team [any team] to a Superbowl. He still makes rookie mistakes in his 8th season. It's a nightmare that this human joke was ever signed by the Chiefs in the first place.

We will be 41 million over the cap next year. We missed out on 9 franchise type QB's in the draft the last two years now. Our skill position talent is piss poor. Yet people still want to keep Grbac and think getting a new OC is going to get this team to a Superbowl? Can I have some that crack you're smoking.

The worst thing that can happen to this franchise is them having any record any better than 6-10 this year. We need a complete overhaul and we must be rid of Peterson for that to happen. Getting a new OC isn't going to solve a damn thing!

It totally sucks *** that the realistic fans have been reduced to having to root for the Chiefs to lose so that we can be rid of Peterson!

[This message has been edited by Cannibal (edited 09-08-2000).]

KCTitus · 09-08-2000, 10:09 AM

[i]He still makes rookie mistakes in his 8th season.[/i] - examples please.

[i]We missed out on 9 franchise type QB's in the draft the last two years now[/i] - how many of those were available at out draft position? ie, how many did we pass over?

[i]Yet people still want to keep Grbac and think getting a new OC is going to get this team to a Superbowl?[/i] - maybe it's you smoking crack. I see no one on this BB stating a smiple OC change equals a SB. The best I've seen is OC, RB and DC and we might actually be competitive.

[i]realistic fans have been reduced to having to root for the Chiefs to lose so that we can be rid of Peterson![/i] - sorry, are we 'measuring' fandom again? Im realistic about our chances, but still root for them to win.

Cannibal · 09-08-2000, 10:15 AM

The int in the last game is a perfect example.

Grbac saw that he was going to be crushed, so in his panic he threw the ball away without even knowing where it was going to go. The result, a back breaking int for for a touchdown. He panics in the pocket constantly, he still can't stand in under pressure and make good decisions even though he's an eight year vet.

Simply put... he a is total P_u_s_s!

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Cannibal · 09-08-2000, 10:16 AM

To get something you've got to give up something, we should have traded up for one fo those QB's.

California Injun · 09-08-2000, 10:19 AM

If Trent Green is available then by all means sign him.

Then we watch who Green Bay releases at the QB position and obtain his rights before he plays in the Arena Football League.

Get him a job at The Chopper bagging groceries in the off-season and the Chiefs will have their SB caliber QB in no time!!!

But wait a minute! We'd still have JR running our offense!!!

AAAUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHHH...................

KCTitus · 09-08-2000, 10:21 AM

Throwing over the middle was dumb. I do admit that, but you said mistakes, that's one.

I'd bet that had he ran toward the sideline and threw the ball out of bounds the same criticism would have been leveled because he threw the ball away instead of an INT.

As far as [i]giving up something to get something[/i], what did KC have to give up besides lower draft picks? It takes two parties to trade. (this is for Clint) - How do you know for a FACT that KC didnt try to trade up?

How many did KC pass over? None, right? KC cant draft someone that isnt available.

Cannibal · 09-08-2000, 10:24 AM

They passed over Shaun King and Michael Bishop.

Bishop may not be starting material just yet, but if we were rebuilding, he would be the type QB I'd like to build around.

Cannibal · 09-08-2000, 10:34 AM

They passed Shaun King for Mike Cloud and they passed up on Mike Bishop for a bunch scrubs many of which aren't even on the team any longer.

09-07-2000, 08:11 PM	#61
G_Man Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	nmt1 - You [b]are[/b] joking, right? Because Al Saunders picked up a ring as a recievers coach on a team loaded with talent and a great mind at OC, he suddenly qualifies for HC/GM? He'd be happy to get an OC job, I'd think.
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09-07-2000, 08:17 PM	#62
G_Man Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	As for HC, I found this (from bergen.com): Giants offensive coordinator Sean Payton says it's a little premature for him to be considered a head coaching prospect. "I've only been a coordinator for one game," he said. But after Kansas City coach Gunther Cunningham reportedly told his players he might retire, The Kansas City Star came up with a list of potential replacements. Payton was on the list. "There are a lot of qualified candidates with more experience than me," he said. "And I'd like to know how that list was compiled, anyway." -------- Actually, I thought he had coordinated a few games last year too. Maybe not under the official OC title. I seem to remember when allowed to call plays, the Giants offense greatly improved. Just throwing out a name. If we do get a new HC next year, I hope it's an offensive-minded one. [This message has been edited by G_Man (edited 09-07-2000).]
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09-07-2000, 08:18 PM	#63
TheFly Never Regular... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Irvine, CA, USA Casino cash: $10004900	No sense going after a quarterback until ALL of the coaching staff (and Peterson) are replaced...
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09-07-2000, 09:35 PM	#64
Yosef_Malkovitch The Lurkiest Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wichita, KS. Casino cash: $4415999	EG is the least of our problems. I know he's not exactly HOF material, but if everyone else did their jobs as well as he does his (like NOT dropping passes all the time) then we'd be 9-7 or 10-6. I don't think it's fair to blame him for ONE mistake when our D is known around the league as "the sieve" and our RB's get 8 yards in 6 carries. Our coaching staff is a FAR worse problem than EG.
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09-07-2000, 11:22 PM	#65
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $1843127	Milkman, FINALLY someone agrees with me on the Jeff Diomand for GM selection! Yos, I agree that EG is NOT the most pressing problem on offense. IMO, It starts with managements approval of the RRBC and NOT going after a LEGIT RB and it ends with the IDIOT in the booth. I don't like Grbac's decision making process at times but it sure isn't made easier by the NEANDERTHAL approach to football - Jimmy Raye style! I'd like to see what he could do WITH a game -breaker in the backfield. It just boggles my brain!
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09-07-2000, 12:47 AM
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $1843127	Lets say that Grbac really has a bad year. In Raye's offense, that wouldn't surprise me especially if we fall behind early and often this season. Would the Chiefs pursue Trent Green? Or if Grbac was released, would the cap hit be too much. Could he be traded for Green and back up Warner. Again are the dollars involved too high here too? Wpuld Al Saundars come back to be the Chiefs OC? Any thoughts?
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09-08-2000, 08:14 AM	#66
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	TX: I think we've got a good RB on this roster in Frank Moreau. For that reason, I lay the sole blame on the coaching staff. Not only do they call bogus plays, but they can't evaluate talent either. ------------------ Parker [b]ChiefsPlanet Administrator[/b] [i]Jimmy Raye for President...anything to get him out of Kansas City[/i] [i]More Moreau</I>
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09-08-2000, 09:28 AM	#67
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Grbac is not the biggest problem on Offense. He was the biggest problem early last season, culminating in his disastrous performance in the San Diego game. But he improved last season to the point where he is an asset rather than a liability. It is true that I do not think he is franchise QB material, but he could be adequate with three changes: 1. An OC with even half a clue. 2. A featured HB. 3. Renegotiate to lose that obscene bonus. Raye had several chances to show he is qualified as OC. He failed every time. Raye remains the major stumbling block in our Offense. We will not improve until he is gone. We tried Richardson at FB and discovered that we miss his blocking very much. Keep Richardson at FB and play Moreau at HB. Give him lots of carries and do not pull him out if he can still stand. We might have a featured HB on our roster, but we would never know it with the RBbC mentality. If we get a new OC next season, and Moreau proves that he can be a featured HB, then Grbac might again rise to our weakest link. Right now, he is a distant third, once that bonus is gone. xoxo~ gaz reluctant Grbacker.<BR>
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09-08-2000, 10:00 AM	#68
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	I am sorry if I seem a little PO'd… but this is horse**! Grbac is nothing but an average QB. He should be a backup. He'll never take a team [any team] to a Superbowl. He still makes rookie mistakes in his 8th season. It's a nightmare that this human joke was ever signed by the Chiefs in the first place. We will be 41 million over the cap next year. We missed out on 9 franchise type QB's in the draft the last two years now. Our skill position talent is piss poor. Yet people still want to keep Grbac and think getting a new OC is going to get this team to a Superbowl? Can I have some that crack you're smoking. The worst thing that can happen to this franchise is them having any record any better than 6-10 this year. We need a complete overhaul and we must be rid of Peterson for that to happen. Getting a new OC isn't going to solve a damn thing! It totally sucks * that the realistic fans have been reduced to having to root for the Chiefs to lose so that we can be rid of Peterson! [This message has been edited by Cannibal (edited 09-08-2000).]
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09-08-2000, 10:09 AM	#69
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	[i]He still makes rookie mistakes in his 8th season.[/i] - examples please. [i]We missed out on 9 franchise type QB's in the draft the last two years now[/i] - how many of those were available at out draft position? ie, how many did we pass over? [i]Yet people still want to keep Grbac and think getting a new OC is going to get this team to a Superbowl?[/i] - maybe it's you smoking crack. I see no one on this BB stating a smiple OC change equals a SB. The best I've seen is OC, RB and DC and we might actually be competitive. [i]realistic fans have been reduced to having to root for the Chiefs to lose so that we can be rid of Peterson![/i] - sorry, are we 'measuring' fandom again? Im realistic about our chances, but still root for them to win.
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09-08-2000, 10:15 AM	#70
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	The int in the last game is a perfect example. Grbac saw that he was going to be crushed, so in his panic he threw the ball away without even knowing where it was going to go. The result, a back breaking int for for a touchdown. He panics in the pocket constantly, he still can't stand in under pressure and make good decisions even though he's an eight year vet. Simply put... he a is total P_u_s_s! [This message has been edited by Cannibal (edited 09-08-2000).]
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09-08-2000, 10:16 AM	#71
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	To get something you've got to give up something, we should have traded up for one fo those QB's.
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09-08-2000, 10:19 AM	#72
California Injun Bucs 48 Raiders 21 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Andreas, CA. USA Casino cash: $10004900	If Trent Green is available then by all means sign him. Then we watch who Green Bay releases at the QB position and obtain his rights before he plays in the Arena Football League. Get him a job at The Chopper bagging groceries in the off-season and the Chiefs will have their SB caliber QB in no time!!! But wait a minute! We'd still have JR running our offense!!! AAAUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHHH...................
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09-08-2000, 10:21 AM	#73
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	Throwing over the middle was dumb. I do admit that, but you said mistakes, that's one. I'd bet that had he ran toward the sideline and threw the ball out of bounds the same criticism would have been leveled because he threw the ball away instead of an INT. As far as [i]giving up something to get something[/i], what did KC have to give up besides lower draft picks? It takes two parties to trade. (this is for Clint) - How do you know for a FACT that KC didnt try to trade up? How many did KC pass over? None, right? KC cant draft someone that isnt available.
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09-08-2000, 10:24 AM	#74
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	They passed over Shaun King and Michael Bishop. Bishop may not be starting material just yet, but if we were rebuilding, he would be the type QB I'd like to build around.
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09-08-2000, 10:34 AM	#75
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	They passed Shaun King for Mike Cloud and they passed up on Mike Bishop for a bunch scrubs many of which aren't even on the team any longer.
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