Alex Smith Extension Talks

[Jimmya]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chiefs-...5970--nfl.html

[TEX]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

This is why it makes sense to me to let him play out this season and see if he can replicate that late season performance (minus the downward bump in the game against Indy) before offering him an extension.

If he's willing to sign now for a salary that mitigates the risk he CAN'T be that guy over a full season, OK. Especially if it's something you can walk away from in 2-3 years.

But if he's looking for $17 million a year? Nah, not comfortable with paying him like that yet.

"(minus the downward bump in the game against Indy)" - WHAT are you talking about??? I'll take THAT performance ANY day.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Tom Condon represents the following quarterbacks and got them the corresponding contracts:

Matt Ryan 6/114 59 million guaranteed
Tony Romo 7/120 55 million guaranteed
Jay Cutler 7/127 54 million guaranteed

I expect Tom Condon to be asking for similar figures for Alex.

If anyone thinks he is gonna just settle for a contract not in that range for Alex, they aren't being realistic.

The options for KC are to either draft his replacement, or pay that type of price tag.

IMO there isn't a third option.

For a soon to be 30 yr old QB thats made a career out of being mediocre, I'll take option #1.

When you've got guys in the league like Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Philip Rivers in the 14-15 range then you can tell Alex to go pound sand if he wants 17.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by TEX

"(minus the downward bump in the game against Indy)" - WHAT are you talking about??? I'll take THAT performance ANY day.

Some look at the second half of that Indy and believe that Smith reverted to safe game manager.

This is one of the only things, if not the only thing, that I have not agreed with DI on this offseason.

The playcalling got far too conservative and safe, which isn't on Smith, but is on Reid.

I do believe a more confident, aggressive QB would have pushed harder to remain on the attack, however.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

Problem is, if he does go out and have that kind of year, 17 mil is likely going to be a bargain.

That's fine. Would rather pay a few more million and be confident in the guy that pay him $17 million and get saddled with an albatross contract for the guy we saw over the first half of the season.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by TEX

"(minus the downward bump in the game against Indy)" - WHAT are you talking about??? I'll take THAT performance ANY day.

I was talking about the regular season game, when Smith was pretty awful.As was the whole team.

Good chance that was a team packing it in on a game that didn't matter, but still happened.

I do think Smith missed some opportunities in the second half of that playoff game, but I don't put all of the blame on him or anything. Three straight empty possession as Indy started its comeback is not what you want to see from your QB, but he played an excellent game overall.

Just wish he had hit that pass on the wheel route...

[temper11]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Look at the growth Alex showed under Andy Reid this year. He wasnt very good at all the first 7-9 games and Andy has talks with him and all of a sudden, he starts playing really well.

If you responded to this last time, I didn't see it, but do you have the source for what I highlighted above?

I don't think Smith suddenly saw that light post bye week. My guess is that given the quality play of the Chiefs defense the first nine games, the relatively week offenses and 2nd string QB's we were seeing, the limited playbook the offense was working with, new offensive scheme and personnel, etc. etc., Reid and Smith adopted a more conservative game plan.

Post bye week, when the playoff contending teams came up, they let go of the reins, put in a more aggressive scheme, had more of the playbook to work with and Smith took more chances - knowing they were going to need to put up more points. This seems more likely to me than "Smith sucked the first 9 games, Reid talked to him and then Smith was a baller the rest of the way."

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by temper11

If you responded to this last time, I didn't see it, but do you have the source for what I highlighted above?

I don't think Smith suddenly saw that light post bye week. My guess is that given the quality play of the Chiefs defense the first nine games, the relatively week offenses and 2nd string QB's we were seeing, the limited playbook the offense was working with, new offensive scheme and personnel, etc. etc., Reid and Smith adopted a more conservative game plan.

Post bye week, when the playoff contending teams came up, they let go of the reins, put in a more aggressive scheme, had more of the playbook to work with and Smith took more chances - knowing they were going to need to put up more points. This seems more likely to me than "Smith sucked the first 9 games, Reid talked to him and then Smith was a baller the rest of the way."

It was mentioned on the broadcast. Reid talked to Smith about throwing the ball downfield and that starting NFL QBs had to be willing to do it or not remain starting QBs for long. Or something to that effect.

Eye test matches. Alex Smith was far more aggressive throwing the ball into windows and down the field after the bye week.

It's more believable to me that he was encouraged to do those things rather than just laying back and not turning on the switch early.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by milkman

Some look at the second half of that Indy and believe that Smith reverted to safe game manager.

This is one of the only things, if not the only thing, that I have not agreed with DI on this offseason.

The playcalling got far too conservative and safe, which isn't on Smith, but is on Reid.

I do believe a more confident, aggressive QB would have pushed harder to remain on the attack, however.

This is kinda football 101 though. Get the lead then pound the rock and kill the clock. It didn't surprise me they took the foot off the pedal. If Charles didn't go down early then we just RUN out the clock. If the defense only mildly implodes Chiefs win. It took a total, complete and historical defensive implosion - not to mention a fair amount of luck (not the man), to complete that come from behind win for Indy.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by temper11

This is kinda football 101 though. Get the lead then pound the rock and kill the clock. It didn't surprise me they took the foot off the pedal. If Charles didn't go down early then we just RUN out the clock. If the defense only mildly implodes Chiefs win. It took a total, complete and historical defensive implosion - not to mention a fair amount of luck (not the man), to complete that come from behind win for Indy.

This is not hyperbole.

From the 2nd half kickoff to the lead lost with under 5 min to go.

COLTS scored 5 TDs in 10 minutes and 18 seconds of possession.

1 point every 17.7 seconds they had the ball. That is 100 points a game pace.

The Colts had only 2 3rd downs over the entire 2nd half surge to victory.

[jd1020]

Anyone putting all the blame on the defense for the loss against Indy in the playoffs and none on the offense is out of their damn mind.

How many points did the Chiefs score in the 2nd half? 13.

3 of those points are directly attributed to the defense because they forced a turnover deep in Indy territory and the offense only managed to get like 7 yards.

The only touchdown the Chiefs scored in the second half came off another turnover leaving the offense with an 18 yard field.

The last 3 came on the only sustained drive for the Chiefs in the entire half and we only managed to get a FG.

The whole team failed in the 2nd half. The defense couldn't be bothered to get a stop in the last 27 or so minutes and the offense couldnt be bothered to keep the Colts offense on the bench.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Anyone putting all the blame on the defense for the loss against Indy in the playoffs and none on the offense is out of their damn mind.

How many points did the Chiefs score in the 2nd half? 13.

3 of those points are directly attributed to the defense because they forced a turnover deep in Indy territory and the offense only managed to get like 7 yards.

The only touchdown the Chiefs scored in the second half came off another turnover leaving the offense with an 18 yard field.

The last 3 came on the only sustained drive for the Chiefs in the entire half and we only managed to get a FG.

The whole team failed in the 2nd half. The defense couldn't be bothered to get a stop in the last 27 or so minutes and the offense couldnt be bothered to keep the Colts offense on the bench.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Tom Condon represents the following quarterbacks and got them the corresponding contracts:

Matt Ryan 6/114 59 million guaranteed
Tony Romo 7/120 55 million guaranteed
Jay Cutler 7/127 54 million guaranteed

I expect Tom Condon to be asking for similar figures for Alex.

If anyone thinks he is gonna just settle for a contract not in that range for Alex, they aren't being realistic.

The options for KC are to either draft his replacement, or pay that type of price tag.

IMO there isn't a third option.

Damn, what really sucks about that is I can't definitively say Ryan, Romo, or Cutler are that much better than Smith. If those assholes are getting that much money, then frankly that's just the going rate.

[keg in kc]

There aren't really two options here. There's pretty much only one. They have to pay him. That's the situation the forced themselves into when they traded for him. While they may draft a QB, there's no real way they can go into the draft looking for a starter, not at 23. They can hope that they get extraordinarily lucky and someone that they love drops, but the reality is that they can't count on the availability of anybody close to ready to go, not that late in the round. And they don't have any ammunition to make a significant move up.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Damn, what really sucks about that is I can't definitively say Ryan, Romo, or Cutler are that much better than Smith. If those assholes are getting that much money, then frankly that's just the going rate.

The biggest difference is that those other 3 have all had big production to back up their demands. They're the center of their offenses.

Alex has mostly been in run first offenses. Last year we were a pass first team but his numbers were very average...

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

There aren't really two options here. There's pretty much only one. They have to pay him. That's the situation the forced themselves into when they traded for him. While they may draft a QB, there's no real way they can go into the draft looking for a starter, not at 23. They can hope that they get extraordinarily lucky and someone that they love drops, but the reality is that they can't count on the availability of anybody close to ready to go, not that late in the round. And they don't have any ammunition to make a significant move up.

If they draft someone, he can sit a year. 2 if they can franchise Alex in 2015.