Morton & Kennison having 1000 yd seasons??!!! Tony G having a career year??!!!

[Kylo Ren]

Morton needs to average 54.6 yds per game to get 1000 yds this season, which is about average for his career. He's on pace for 1057 yds. His average is 14.0 yds per catch, which it's been his entire career. He's on pace for 76 catches, which, once again is about average for his career. He's due for 3 TD's this season, which is also average for his career. It's taken him 3 seasons in KC to do it, but is JM now the WR that we expected when we signed him? What do you make of these numbers? What do you think is JM's future in KC? Isn't 1000 yds the benchmark for a good WR season? If so, isn't Morton having a good season? Etc., etc., etc. ............. Discuss.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1223

Here are Kennison's numbers. All of his numbers are right on average, or in some cases above average compared to his career. I ask the exact same questions in regards to EK. Kennison needs 77 yds per game to get to 1000 yds this season. That is unlikely because his average this season is 56 yds per game. He's on pace for: 897 yds, 51 catches, 4 TDs, 17.6 yds per catch (best of his career). All of these are average for his career. Morton's career has been a little more consistant. Where as Kennison's career has been up and down from season to season.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1296

Aren't we getting, this season, exactly what we paid for? I'm neither for nor against JM or EK, I'm just asking the questions. Should we be so critical of these guys? I don't know. FYI -- EK is 31 years old and JM is 33 years old.

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Just for fun, I ran the numbers on Tony Gonzalez. He's on pace for a career year. I had no idea he was having a career year!! Did you know TG has missed only ONE game ('99) in 8 seasons / 122 games??
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12400

On pace for:
1219 yard (best of his career)
13.1 yd average (bohc)
93 catches (bohc)
19 rec for 20+ yds (bohc)
7 TDs

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So, do we need to draft a WR in the 1st round or pick a big time WR in free agency? Or are we OK for one more season with JM, EK and TG, while we focus on defense?

[Alphaman]

Morton was invisible today. Kennison had a big drop. I give him props for his 149 yrds and TD, but he needs to be an EX-Chief next year.

[Kylo Ren]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

Morton was invisible today. Kennison had a big drop. I give him props for his 149 yrds and TD, but he needs to be an EX-Chief next year.

I still say that we don't get rid of either of them. I say we bump them down to #2 and #3 WR and sign or draft a true, stud #1 WR. Then throw in Boerigter and Hall. I'd say Hall should be the #5 WR. He should be situational only. That would be a good WR corps, especially if you throw in Gonzalez, Wilson and Dunn.

[Hammock Parties]

Our wide receivers are fine.

WE NEED A DEFENSE

Money spent on a #1 WR would be money BETTER SPENT on defense.

WE HAVE A TOP FIVE OFFENSE IN ALMOST EVERY CATEGORY. WE DO NOT NEED NEW WIDE RECEIVERS.

[RealSNR]

I want DEFENSE in the draft.

We have a chance to get another Derrick Thomas. Let's not waste it.

[Alphaman]

Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan

I still say that we don't get rid of either of them. I say we bump them down to #2 and #3 WR and sign or draft a true, stud #1 WR. Then throw in Boerigter and Hall. I'd say Hall should be the #5 WR. He should be situational only. That would be a good WR corps, especially if you throw in Gonzalez, Wilson and Dunn.

Those two guys are old and getting older. We've seen it this year...too many injuries, too many drops, too many fumbles.

Most of our offseason should be spent on defense, but you cannot ignore the offense. We must get a WR in FA (Jerry Porter is my choice). We must also draft a RB somewhere between the 3rd and 5th round. Blaylock won't be back and we'll need a 3rd guy.

[Kylo Ren]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

Those two guys are old and getting older. We've seen it this year...too many injuries, too many drops, too many fumbles.

Most of our offseason should be spent on defense, but you cannot ignore the offense. We must get a WR in FA (Jerry Porter is my choice). We must also draft a RB somewhere between the 3rd and 5th round. Blaylock won't be back and we'll need a 3rd guy.

I agree about the WR, but we NEED to sign Blaylock.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

Those two guys are old and getting older. We've seen it this year...too many injuries, too many drops, too many fumbles.

Most of our offseason should be spent on defense, but you cannot ignore the offense. We must get a WR in FA (Jerry Porter is my choice). We must also draft a RB somewhere between the 3rd and 5th round. Blaylock won't be back and we'll need a 3rd guy.

Too many injuries? Kennison only had a pulled hamstring. Morton was only hurt in training camp. Too many drops? well I don't have the numbers on this. Too many fumbles? What? are you thinking they have fumbled 6 times this season. Well Kennison has only fumbled once and lost it. Morton has fumbled twice and lost one. Your choice in Porter has lost more fumbles then Morton and Kennison. Bruce has fumbled 3 times and lost all of them. Jevon Walker has fumbled twice and lost both.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Nice game today by the WRs, but still, they are too inconsistent. Not one of the WRs catches today were against shut down CB Charles Woodson. I'm not impressed, but they had a nice game today.

We need to upgrade.

[Kylo Ren]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Too many injuries? Kennison only had a pulled hamstring. Morton was only hurt in training camp. Too many drops? well I don't have the numbers on this. Too many fumbles? What? are you thinking they have fumbled 6 times this season. Well Kennison has only fumbled once and lost it. Morton has fumbled twice and lost one. Your choice in Porter has lost more fumbles then Morton and Kennison. Bruce has fumbled 3 times and lost all of them. Jevon Walker has fumbled twice and lost both.

I think that many on this BB are way to critical of our current WRs. I think they are "serviceable". I admit that they are #2's and neither is a #1 WR. We need a true #1 WR, but keep Kennison and Morton. If we did that, we'd have a killer WR corps.

[Alphaman]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Too many injuries? Kennison only had a pulled hamstring. Morton was only hurt in training camp. Too many drops? well I don't have the numbers on this. Too many fumbles? What? are you thinking they have fumbled 6 times this season. Well Kennison has only fumbled once and lost it. Morton has fumbled twice and lost one. Your choice in Porter has lost more fumbles then Morton and Kennison. Bruce has fumbled 3 times and lost all of them. Jevon Walker has fumbled twice and lost both.

Do you think it is a coincidence that these guys are getting older and getting injured earlier. I think their age is a contributing factor to being injured in camp, especially at the WR position where there are cuts and sprints...the other position would be CB.

Yes...they both have had a large number of drops this year.

1 Kennison had a big fumble against Minnesota last year and the fumble he had this year was a break out run where he got caught from behind. Kennison would have never gotten caught from behind 3 years ago. Age is catching up to him my friend.

It's not the fumbles by themselves, but combined with the age, the injuries and the drops.

Give me Porter and his potential for exploding in this offense and I'll deal with his fumbles. Kennison and Morton just don't exploit the single coverage they get (because of Gonzo and the running game) to warrant dealing with their age, drops, fumbles and injuries. Porter is younger, bigger, stronger, faster and more explosive.

[Alphaman]

Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan

I think that many on this BB are way to critical of our current WRs. I think they are "serviceable". I admit that they are #2's and neither is a #1 WR. We need a true #1 WR, but keep Kennison and Morton. If we did that, we'd have a killer WR corps.

Serviceable means that aren't exploiting the single coverage they always get. It also means that they aren't going to improve next year. If they aren't going to improve, it likely means they'll decline. A declining serviceable player needs to be replaced.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by UserName

Green can definitely throw those passes. He did it all the time in St. Louis.

Dante Hall just isn't big enough to get open downfield. Once in a while it will happen.

Green only started a handful of games in St. Louis so I'm not sure how he could have done it "all the time" there, but I didn't watch many (any?) of those games so I won't argue with you about his performance as a Ram.

But since he's been a Chief, he does NOT throw good deep passes, hitting receivers in stride, very often. Most of his deep passes are either significantly underthrown or overthrown and quite a few of them have been picked off. He's much better at the deeper curl patterns where he throws to a spot and the reciever comes back to them.

I'm not bagging on Trent, I'm a big fan. This just isn't one of his strengths IMO.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Green can't throw a touch pass?

uh....he drops passes into double coverage all the time...sometimes he is too cavalier about it, resulting in several "should have been" ints....

I'm not sure what your argument is. I didn't say he can't throw touch passes, I said he can't throw deep, arching touch passes, hitting receivers (in particular small receivers like Dante) in stride. I did point out that Tony Gonzalez's size and acrobatic ability compensate for this to some extent and therefore he makes more "in-stride" catches on long passes.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by UserName

Exhibit A:

Are you switching sides now? Your exhibit A is an example of what I'm talking about. The ball appears to me to be underthrown causing Dante to slow down for it. A perfect pass would have had Dante running under the ball. As far as Green's deep passes are concerned, this is a pretty good one. If this were an example of one of his bad throws instead of one of his better ones, he'd be a great deep ball passer. It's not though.

That's not to say you can't find some film clip of a perfect Trent Green deep pass. I've seen him do it on occasion. But over the long run, he doesn't do it with any regularity. Instead you find more of what you see in your clip, or seriously overthown balls that go incomplete, or, in some cases, underthrown balls that are broken-up/intercepted by the defender.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

Do you think it is a coincidence that these guys are getting older and getting injured earlier. I think their age is a contributing factor to being injured in camp, especially at the WR position where there are cuts and sprints...the other position would be CB.

Yes...they both have had a large number of drops this year.

1 Kennison had a big fumble against Minnesota last year and the fumble he had this year was a break out run where he got caught from behind. Kennison would have never gotten caught from behind 3 years ago. Age is catching up to him my friend.

It's not the fumbles by themselves, but combined with the age, the injuries and the drops.

Give me Porter and his potential for exploding in this offense and I'll deal with his fumbles. Kennison and Morton just don't exploit the single coverage they get (because of Gonzo and the running game) to warrant dealing with their age, drops, fumbles and injuries. Porter is younger, bigger, stronger, faster and more explosive.

I do agree they are getting older and that we do need a true no. 1

but these two are not really injured. So you really can't use the unjury factor. They don't fumble much, so you really can't use that.

You mentioned Kennisons fumble against Minnesota last year wel the refs made a bonehead call. It was not actually a fumble but the refs made the wrong call. It was still our ball.

Green completed a 32-yard pass to Eddie Kennison, who had the ball punched out along the sideline by Brian Williams. Brian Russell, who had both interceptions, recovered at the Vikings'A challenge by Vermeil that Kennison stepped out of bounds before the fumble was overturned, but replays showed Vermeil challenged the wrong thing. Referee Ron Blum admitted a mistake after the game, since Williams came from out of bounds and illegally touched the ball.


But as I said they are both no 2 WRs but not a no. 1 but they are doing their jobs but they need to be more consistent