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melbar · 08:20 PM

They just reported that we CAN trade our newly acquired 3rd round pick for Surtain , and it may just be a matter of working out the contract if we are willing to give it up! I've always thought you couldnt , and i've seen it widely reported that that was so , but they definately said that we CAN trade our newly acquired #99 overall pick. If they are willing there is definately NO reason to not trade for Surtain, but will he negotiate a reasonable contract for less that 7 million a year?!

**Lzen** · 03-29-2005, 10:19 AM

Ok, here are some of the 3rd rounders that I can remember.

- 2001 Eric Downing and Snoop Minnis (Neither player really ever gave the Chiefs much of anything)

- 2003 Julian Battle (Not looking good)

Brock · 03-29-2005, 10:24 AM

The Chiefs are offering a fourth rounder. That is probably all they will offer.

keg in kc · 03-29-2005, 10:26 AM

You know, we can talk all we want about trading whatever picks because we haven't had much success in the past, but the front office ain't gonna be thinking like that. And they shouldn't be; that's a loser's mentality. They're going to spend countless hours and dollars studying film and conducting interviews hoping -- and expecting -- to get stars and perennial all pros with their picks, and I wouldn't want them thinking any other way. In other words, trade for Surtain based on his value in this year's market, don't just throw away picks because we have this defeatist attitude that we can't draft for shit anyway, so just give away the farm.

whoman69 · 03-29-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefmachine

Chiefs fans! With the exception of LJ 2-3 years ago in the first round none the less. Why is Carl Peterson so worried about loosing a 2nd or 3rd round pick? The last time we got anything out of our 1-3 rounds in the draft on DDD was Jerome Woods, and tongue in 1997!!! COME ON CARL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can't just go and assume that we're going to fug up the pick. It was only in the last half dozen years that Carl has sucked at the draft. We drafted Tony G., Jerome Woods, Dale Carter, and Derrick Thomas in the 1st, Tim Gruhard, Reggie Tongue in the 2nd and for serviceable players which one would expect in the 3rd we've gotten Will Shields, Tamarick Vanouver, Lake Dawson, John Browning, Greg Wesley and Gary Stills. Its not impossible that Carl would return to his early success in the draft.

whoman69 · 03-29-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock Landers

The Chiefs are offering a fourth rounder. That is probably all they will offer.

There's no way you can know that. For as low as the pick seems to us, its the most that anyone has offered.

**PHOG** · 03-29-2005, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Ok, here are some of the 3rd rounders that I can remember.

- 2001 Eric Downing and Snoop Minnis (Neither player really ever gave the Chiefs much of anything)

- 2003 Julian Battle (Not looking good)

Wesley '00, Stills '99, Shields '93, Fox '04, Browning '96, Battle '03

These are the ones still listed on the roster..

Frankie · 03-29-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Why not a 4th and one of our 3 5ths? What kind of quality are they expecting out of these low round picks?

More realistically, a 4 a 5 and a 7.

**petegz28** · 03-29-2005, 11:03 AM

Why is it even a point of contention? A 2nd round pick for a pro-bowl corner? I would do it in a heartbeat considering we have no real corners on our team!

Frankie · 03-29-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

If I were Nick Saban, I'd hold onto Surtain for the 2nd round pick. The Chiefs third is the equivalent of a 2nd day pick.

Pssst... hush up. The Dolphins front office might hear you.

Ebolapox · 03-29-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

that was my avatar for a while... one of my personal favorites

-EB-

Frankie · 03-29-2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

As much leverage as Saban has, Carl actually has some, too. He knows they need many oicks and they want to get rid of Surtain. I think Carl can pull this off for lower than our second rounder.

Agreed. (Although I don't know what "oicks" are. What ever they are, give it to them.

)

Frankie · 03-29-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

I still think we're going to have to give a second for Surtain. Now whether that's a second next year (not likely) or our second for Surtain and Miami's third (more likely IMO) I don't know, but I do think we're picking Surtain with our second round pick if we get him.

"Our second for Surtain and Miami's third."

Hmmm

That I could learn to live with.

Frankie · 03-29-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ClearmontChief

Well, I'd make that trade Phog. We'd have a great 3rd to ship to Miami, still get a Browner or Marlin Jackson or Linebacker @ 19, and still have our 2nd for the linebacker (or CB).

I loooove "wheeling and dealing" threads.

This thread is full of good ones. I'm having fun.

**PHOG** · 03-29-2005, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I loooove "wheeling and dealing" threads.

This thread is full of good ones. I'm having fun.

Yeah, well, I just checked the draft pick value chart, and we'd be about 170 points away from getting this done, even if the

were interested..

Our 1st =1000
Their 1st =900
Their 3rd rd (66th)= 270, if I'm not mistaken

On another note, I see the 13th pick is 1200, while the 14th pick is 1100, even though we all finished with the same record.

Frankie · 03-29-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Why is it even a point of contention? A 2nd round pick for a pro-bowl corner? I would do it in a heartbeat considering we have no real corners on our team!

No offense. But that's probably one of the reasons you are not a GM in the NFL. We all have our scenarios we think would better the Chiefs. But the bitter reality is we do not know most of the factors CP has to deal with.

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