Under what circumstances would you accept a WR being drafted in the 1st round? - Page 5

Chiefs Pantalones · 04-09-2005, 09:11 PM

Would you be fine if we drafted one as it is right now?

Would we have to get another OLB in FA first, as well as Surtain?

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-10-2005, 04:03 PM

Simmons, Sharper, Law, and Surtain....ALL in Red 'n Gold?

GO ahead, draft a WR...heh.

whoman69 · 04-10-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

NO.

The Chiefs were 8th in the league in sacks last year.

WE NEED DEFENSIVE BACKS.

While I agree with your ending statement, the Chiefs had so many sacks last year because we were force to blitz all out so often. By themselves the front four could not get to the QB. Gun knew that without a sack, our coverage could not reign them in.

yoswif · 04-10-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

You want a pass D like the 90's?

Get CB's like James Hasty and Dale Carter.

The 90s edge pass rushers were in KC before Hasty and Carter. Build the explosive pass rush for KC's home field advantage and the good cover corners will naturally appear, imo.

htismaqe · 04-10-2005, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

While I agree with your ending statement, the Chiefs had so many sacks last year because we were force to blitz all out so often. By themselves the front four could not get to the QB. Gun knew that without a sack, our coverage could not reign them in.

26 of KC's 41 sacks came from defensive linemen. 2.5 more came from Gary Stills.

The data doesn't support your argument.

yoswif · 04-10-2005, 05:10 PM

I don't think KC's pass rush was feared or even respected around the league despite having the 8th best sack total. When KC's defense was respected, KC's pass rush was feared.

Mr. Laz · 04-10-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yoswif

I don't think KC's pass rush was feared or even respected around the league despite having the 8th best sack total. When KC's defense was respected, KC's pass rush was feared.

ya ... and when the pass rush was feared we also had decent coverage behind it.

right now the QB can throw at will because they have receivers open all over.

there is no way to win this argument, it's like RB vrs offensive line. they work hand in hand.

we had the best offensive line for years but our running game wasn't feared without christian okoye and priest holmes.

our defense wasn't feared without derrick thomas and neil smith ... but at the same time we also had dale carter and james hasty.

whoman69 · 04-10-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

26 of KC's 41 sacks came from defensive linemen. 2.5 more came from Gary Stills.

The data doesn't support your argument.

Lies, damn lies and statistics. I watched the games and so did you. Many times the only way we could put pressure on was to blitz. As the season went on, Gun went to the well more and more because he knew the line couldn't get there on their own.

htismaqe · 04-10-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Lies, damn lies and statistics. I watched the games and so did you. Many times the only way we could put pressure on was to blitz. As the season went on, Gun went to the well more and more because he knew the line couldn't get there on their own.

I watched the games. I watched a QB with 2 guys in his face dump it off in the flat for 20-yard gains.

I watched a QB in the GRASP hit a wide-open target for a TD.

It all works together. With our LB's and CB's, you can get all the pass rush you want, the defense will still suck.

**morphius** · 04-10-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

It all works together. With our LB's and CB's, you can get all the pass rush you want, the defense will still suck.

Yup, you just see who is lined up at CB, if you get and pressure just toss the ball up in the air... Worked almost every time.

milkman · 04-10-2005, 07:52 PM

The bottom line is, the 3 levels of our D are so bad, that spending a high draft pick on offense is a luxury we simply can't afford.

Toad · 04-10-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

and part of the reason the opposing QB's had all day is because gunther had to try and protect our crap ass secondary

1. cornerbacks suck

pull back the safeties

2. safeties back

linebackers have to be back in short coverage zone

3. linebackers back in short zone coverage

dline had to play screens,swing passes,run etc all by themselves.

4. lineman playing all the various swings etc

defensive line had to hesitate before going after the QB full tilt.

Well said. Thank You.

**morphius** · 04-10-2005, 09:13 PM

If we draft any O player in the first round I well probably just sit there with my mouth hanging wondering why I bother. But then I well log in here, watch the heads completely explode, which well make me feel a bit more level headed and relaxed.

yoswif · 04-11-2005, 06:12 AM

I don't see the KC home crowd helping a cover corner or LB the way the KC home crowd helps explosive pass rushers attacking from both ends. The Chiefs need the explosive pass rushers for the KC home crowd to help before the KC home crowd can have the impact it did in the 90s.

mcan · 04-11-2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by yoswif

I don't see the KC home crowd helping a cover corner or LB the way the KC home crowd helps explosive pass rushers attacking from both ends. The Chiefs need the explosive pass rushers for the KC home crowd to help before the KC home crowd can have the impact it did in the 90s.

Wow, just two sentances and I think you've set the record for using the phrase 'KC Home Crowd.'

htismaqe · 04-11-2005, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by yoswif

I don't see the KC home crowd helping a cover corner or LB the way the KC home crowd helps explosive pass rushers attacking from both ends. The Chiefs need the explosive pass rushers for the KC home crowd to help before the KC home crowd can have the impact it did in the 90s.

I think you're overestimating the effect that the crowd has on that one micro-aspect of the game.

The crowd helps disrupt an offense in many phases and really has nothing to do with the pass rush directly.

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yoswif Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I don't see the KC home crowd helping a cover corner or LB the way the KC home crowd helps explosive pass rushers attacking from both ends. The Chiefs need the explosive pass rushers for the KC home crowd to help before the KC home crowd can have the impact it did in the 90s.
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