You can't give LJ just 9 carries game! LJ can rush for 2000 yards, Priest can't!

[chiefsfan1963]

Priest 22 carries, 85 yds
LJ 9 carries, 110 yds

You have to wonder what would happen if LJ got the 22 carries going forward!

I'm sorry but you have to give the ball to LJ most of the time.

[ChiefsOne]

I say do a 50/50 split and reduce the risk of wearing out either of them and keeping them fresh.

Plus it won't hurt my fantasy team!

[penchief]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

So, in your opinion penchief, Priest Holmes is done then eh?

heh.

Thanks. I havent laughed like that in a long time.

Priest isnt getting carries, or the starting position simply because he's a "class act".

Priest is in there because of what he brings to the offense.


As for your headache, take some tylenol. Midol for the cramps.

Your still missing the point. Show me anywhere in my posts where I said Preist was done. You can't. Because I've never said that. What I think is that LJ ought to be getting more carries. Probably at least as many as Priest and maybe more.

I'm not railing against Priest. I'm just tired of people who keep saying that Priest is the man and LJ's success is only due to Priest and the Oline.

As far as Holmes goes, If you are reading my posts you know what I think of Priest. Don't try to put words in my mouth just because I think that the guy who plays the best ought to get the most playing time. Which at this time just happens to be LJ. And it has been LJ ever since he's been given a chance to show what he's capable of.

Last time I checked, performance is what merits playing time in the NFL. Right now, LJ is outperforming Priest and has merited more playing time.

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by penchief

Your still missing the point. Show me anywhere in my posts where I said Preist was done. You can't. Because I've never said that. What I think is that LJ ought to be getting more carries. Probably at least as many as Priest and maybe more.

I'm not railing against Priest. I'm just tired of people who keep saying that Priest is the man and LJ's success is only due to Priest and the Oline.

As far as Holmes goes, If you are reading my posts you know what I think of Priest. Don't try to put words in my mouth just because I think that the guy who plays the best ought to get the most playing time. Which at this time just happens to be LJ. And it has been LJ ever since he's been given a chance to show what he's capable of.

Last time I checked, performance is what merits playing time in the NFL. Right now, LJ is outperforming Priest and has merited more playing time.

You know as well as I do, that you can't go into a game, situation by situation and precisely determine exactly how many snaps each will get.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by penchief

Your still missing the point. Show me anywhere in my posts where I said Preist was done. You can't. Because I've never said that.


Maybe not, but youve sure implied it with your "When you have a back that the defense fears, your offense is better" comments, obviously referring to Larry Johnson as the back that scares defenses, and Priest is pretty much a lamb to be slaughtered.

Youre talking up Johnson as if he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, all the while making it seem as if the team is stupid for using Holmes as the starter, and rotating Johnson in.

You guys act as if Johnson was completely ignored in the game. He got his touches. He got his 100+ yards and 2 scores.

If it aint broke, dont f with it.



What I think is that LJ ought to be getting more carries. Probably at least as many as Priest and maybe more.

Obviously, the coaching staff disagrees. Seeing as how they won in convincing fashion, I would be inclined to say that they know what they are doing.

I'm not railing against Priest. I'm just tired of people who keep saying that Priest is the man and LJ's success is only due to Priest and the Oline.

Who is saying that? Priest did wear the Jets down with several carries before Johnson's scoring series. If you think that the Jets did not get tired at all from stopping Holmes, then youre just as bad as the people you claim dont give LJ any credit at all.

Everyone loves what Johnson can do. There are some of us however that are pretty tired of everyone dropping to their knees to stroke off Larry Johnson and pretty much wanting kick Holmes to the curb.

After the incredible run that Holmes has had here, I cannot fathom how people could think that he doesnt deserve to be in there. In looking at him in the game, he seems to be back in form.

As far as Holmes goes, If you are reading my posts you know what I think of Priest. Don't try to put words in my mouth just because I think that the guy who plays the best ought to get the most playing time.

Sorry, you were the one that was implying that the Chiefs with Holmes in the backfield didnt scare anyone, (simply because Holmes isnt a threat to go 99 yards at any time...) and that only with Johnson back there would our offense become better than it is.

In my mind, when you start throwing around statements like that, it doesnt really look like you think a whole lot about Priest Holmes.

Perhaps you should choose your words more carefully if that wasnt what you meant.





Last time I checked, performance is what merits playing time in the NFL. Right now, LJ is outperforming Priest and has merited more playing time.

LJ will get the carries it takes to help win the game. In this case, it happened to be just 9. Im perfectly happy with that, as you should be. He isnt going to be limited to 9 carries a game all season, so relax.

The W is what counts. Not stats.

[Sure-Oz]

I like how we got it going right now, it should be this way...LJ is our feature back easy,let them continue to battle it out.

[alnorth]

Everyone has missed the biggest point here, including the people (like me) who are defending Priest.

Some of you are freaking out over 9 carries. That is 9 as in nine, 1 less than 10. Do the words "small sample size" mean anything to you? Someone tried a baseball analogy earlier to bring some sanity into the discussion. Here's a better one. In the first two games the starting center fielder is out and the backup goes 4 for 6. Well hell, lets put the starter on the bench because obviously this new guy is gonna bat .667 and freaking shatter every modern baseball record that involves hitting, right? Uhhh, no. Do that for 2-3 months and maybe we'll talk.

Similarly, the only thing you can conclude from 9 carries is the guy has some promise, and probably does not suck. Thats about it. Theres no way in heaven, earth or HELL he will average 10 ypc, or we would be looking at the incarnation of God come down from the heavens in the form of a Chiefs running back.

Just be happy that we have a guy who seems to be a legitimate second option to change things up and keep the opponent guessing. They cant get used to Priest or LJ, so both will torch them while they try to adjust back and forth all game.

In week 12 if Larry Johnson is still averaging 10 ypc, over 800 yards, with a significant sample size then we would have to have a serious discussion of the future.

As it is, LJ has only proven that he deserves to be given a look. Thats IT, he has NOT proven, in any way, shape, or form, that he deserves to be the #1 back.

[Skip Towne]

I liken this situation to a hot shot young lawyer coming out of an Ivy League school. He has offers from all the big law firms and chooses what he thinks is the best offer. Then the law firm sticks him in a small windowless office and won't let him do anything but collect bills. Would you be pissed off? I for damn sure would. Priest has been great for us but it is a fact of life in the NFL that you WILL be replaced. And often it will be before you think it is time. It happened to Joe Montana . It happened to Marcus Allen. And countless other players. Priest hasn't finished either of the last two seasons because of injury. He's not the same back he was two years ago. I want to keep him around, he's earned it. But I don't want LJ shoving it up our ass in a couple of years and leaving because of what that stubborn old fucker VD did to his career. The average life of an NFL RB is something less than three years. I'm sure LJ's trade value is much greater than is Priest's right now. And for good reason. LJ is a better back with a much better upside. Nine carries per game is an insult.

[chiefsfan1963]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Everyone has missed the biggest point here, including the people (like me) who are defending Priest.

Some of you are freaking out over 9 carries. That is 9 as in nine, 1 less than 10. Do the words "small sample size" mean anything to you? Someone tried a baseball analogy earlier to bring some sanity into the discussion. Here's a better one. In the first two games the starting center fielder is out and the backup goes 4 for 6. Well hell, lets put the starter on the bench because obviously this new guy is gonna bat .667 and freaking shatter every modern baseball record that involves hitting, right? Uhhh, no. Do that for 2-3 months and maybe we'll talk.

Similarly, the only thing you can conclude from 9 carries is the guy has some promise, and probably does not suck. Thats about it. Theres no way in heaven, earth or HELL he will average 10 ypc, or we would be looking at the incarnation of God come down from the heavens in the form of a Chiefs running back.

Just be happy that we have a guy who seems to be a legitimate second option to change things up and keep the opponent guessing. They cant get used to Priest or LJ, so both will torch them while they try to adjust back and forth all game.

In week 12 if Larry Johnson is still averaging 10 ypc, over 800 yards, with a significant sample size then we would have to have a serious discussion of the future.

As it is, LJ has only proven that he deserves to be given a look. Thats IT, he has NOT proven, in any way, shape, or form, that he deserves to be the #1 back.

So you feel it is better to wait until LJ is a 4 or 5 year vet before we give him the ball more than 9 times? At that point he will definitely be ready to carry the ball most of the time?

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Everyone has missed the biggest point here, including the people (like me) who are defending Priest.

Some of you are freaking out over 9 carries. That is 9 as in nine, 1 less than 10. Do the words "small sample size" mean anything to you? Someone tried a baseball analogy earlier to bring some sanity into the discussion. Here's a better one. In the first two games the starting center fielder is out and the backup goes 4 for 6. Well hell, lets put the starter on the bench because obviously this new guy is gonna bat .667 and freaking shatter every modern baseball record that involves hitting, right? Uhhh, no. Do that for 2-3 months and maybe we'll talk.

Similarly, the only thing you can conclude from 9 carries is the guy has some promise, and probably does not suck. Thats about it. Theres no way in heaven, earth or HELL he will average 10 ypc, or we would be looking at the incarnation of God come down from the heavens in the form of a Chiefs running back.

Just be happy that we have a guy who seems to be a legitimate second option to change things up and keep the opponent guessing. They cant get used to Priest or LJ, so both will torch them while they try to adjust back and forth all game.

In week 12 if Larry Johnson is still averaging 10 ypc, over 800 yards, with a significant sample size then we would have to have a serious discussion of the future.

As it is, LJ has only proven that he deserves to be given a look. Thats IT, he has NOT proven, in any way, shape, or form, that he deserves to be the #1 back.

Have you ever heard of a guy named Wally Pipp? There is your baseball analogy. And it really happened. Lou Gehrig was the result and there was nothing hypothetical about it. This is professional sports, not old home week. LJ averaged more than 8 ypc at Penn State and has been nothing short of phenomenal for us. IIt's not like he just fell off the turnip truck as you would have us believe. The guy is for real unless he proves differently to me. Priest has obviously slowed down in the last two years. IIt's LJ's turn to prove me wrong. I don't look for that. The dude is just too strong and fast for the guys trying to tackle him.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

So you feel it is better to wait until LJ is a 4 or 5 year vet before we give him the ball more than 9 times? At that point he will definitely be ready to carry the ball most of the time?

Seriously...do you read your posts?

What the hell makes you think Holmes is around for FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.

[|Zach|]

It seems 60\40 Holmes and I think it should be 60\40 Johnson. Easy...fair...for the best.

[chiefsfan1963]

Originally Posted by ZachKC

Seriously...do you read your posts?

What the hell makes you think Holmes is around for FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.

Zach- LJ is a 3 year vet this year! Next year he'll have been in the league 4 years! Last time I checked Priest will be here with Chiefs as well!

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Have you ever heard of a guy named Wally Pipp? There is your baseball analogy. And it really happened. Lou Gehrig was the result and there was nothing hypothetical about it. This is professional sports, not old home week. LJ averaged more than 8 ypc at Penn State and has been nothing short of phenomenal for us. IIt's not like he just fell off the turnip truck as you would have us believe. The guy is for real unless he proves differently to me. Priest has obviously slowed down in the last two years. IIt's LJ's turn to prove me wrong. I don't look for that. The dude is just too strong and fast for the guys trying to tackle him.

I am pretty sure that he is squating at least 60 pounds stronger this year than last as well. The dudes quads look like elephant legs.

[4th and Long]

I was listening to the post game on the way out of Arrowhead and if memory serves, DV stated that the plan for the Jets game was 2 series for Holmes, then 1 series for Johnson. If a back had to be replaced for whatever reason during their assigned series, the new back going in would not leave. Likewise, when a back started a series, he was to play the full series.

I know what you're going to say. "But, but, but, BOTH backs were in on the first series!" Correct. They were, but not by design.

DV said Priest took himself out after the first long run and asked that LJ be put in.

Now, how bout some love for Priest and a thank you note to boot instead of this pissing match?

Some of you are complaining about the running back situation when instead, you should be HAPPY that we have TWO GREAT BACKS instead of being like other teams who have one good back and a backup who stinks.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by ZachKC

Seriously...do you read your posts?

What the hell makes you think Holmes is around for FOUR TO FIVE YEARS.

And LJ will be playing for somebody else for huge amounts of money in 4 to 5 years. I know it seems cold hearted to all these "loyal" fans but it is the nature of the beast in pro sports. If they can find somebody better than you, you're his-to-ry.