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B+ 48 23.53%
B 53 25.98%
B- 25 12.25%
C+ 18 8.82%
C 15 7.35%
C- 9 4.41%
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Old 04-30-2006, 04:03 PM  
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Grade the 2006 Draft
OK girls. Now's your chance to put your money where your mouth is and grade this draft. Yea, yea, I know. Can't grade a draft for another 3-4 years. We obviously don't know what any of these players can do, so we're talking about pure speculation.

Based on your expectations of what these guys can do for the Chiefs, where does this draft grade out?
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:10 PM   #61
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Not really. Hali was a nondescript DT until he moved to DE his junior year, and he ended up with like 3 sacks in 2004. Suddenly he gets 11 sacks in 2005 (4 in one game), and he's the #20 pick in the draft.

But he's probably got Demoff as his agent.
I like how a guy's serious improvement at a new position is considered a negative.

He was twice as good his second year at DE as his first. And this is a cause for concern?

Works hard.
Learns fast.
Produces at highest level.

Verdict: Bust
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:14 PM   #62
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I like how a guy's serious improvement at a new position is considered a negative.

He was twice as good his second year at DE as his first. And this is a cause for concern?

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Produces at highest level.

Verdict: Bust
Never said he would be a bust. Just said I thought Lawson and Kiwanuka will be better players. I think Hali will probably be a 7-8 year starter like Hicks and put up about 6-7 sacks per year. I don't see him being a Pro Bowl player.
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:15 PM   #63
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I like how a guy's serious improvement at a new position is considered a negative.

He was twice as good his second year at DE as his first. And this is a cause for concern?

Works hard.
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Verdict: Bust
You're talking to professional scouts. You might want to shut the hell up.

Tampa was interested in Hali a few picks after us and I've recently read that the Giants tried to trade up to our spot to take Hali as well. Kiwi was their 2nd choice but according to the Sr Bowl he was shaneo69's first choice.
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:17 PM   #64
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I like how a guy's serious improvement at a new position is considered a negative.

He was twice as good his second year at DE as his first. And this is a cause for concern?

Works hard.
Learns fast.
Produces at highest level.

Verdict: Bust

I think he is going to be a good player. Not a great player, but a good player. At #20, I was hoping for great. And maybe he will be. I don't watch many Penn State games. Only thing I have to go by is the Senior Bowl. And I know he was the defensive MVP, but that was very undeserving based upon what I saw.
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:17 PM   #65
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Come on guys. We're missing the real teller.

Has the NFL ever drafted a player from Liberia that DIDN'T bust?
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:18 PM   #66
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Never said he would be a bust. Just said I thought Lawson and Kiwanuka will be better players. I think Hali will probably be a 7-8 year starter like Hicks and put up about 6-7 sacks per year. I don't see him being a Pro Bowl player.
I actually like Kiwi and think he's gonna be a good player, people would've flipped if we took him at 20 but I don't think I would mind, I think he maybe got nitpicked a bit too much. However I think sitting here and criticizing things Hali did during the Senior Bowl week while pimping Kiwi is kinda backhanded... Kiwi was terrible that week.
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:21 PM   #67
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I'm gonna give our draft a C+. Hali is the only player that will get significant playing time and become a starter after a few games. I'm starting to warm up to Pollard, but still think he was a bit of a reach. I would rather have picked Richard Marshall or Ashton Youboty. Croyle was a decent pick as a possible QBOTF, but won't be on the field any time soon. The only second day pick that is decent is Webb.

I think that we drafted too many safeties. It seems like half of our current roster is filled with safeties. I would liked to have seen one more CB and one DT drafted. Maybe we can land a nice UDFA.
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:22 PM   #68
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You're talking to professional scouts. You might want to shut the hell up.

Tampa was interested in Hali a few picks after us and I've recently read that the Giants tried to trade up to our spot to take Hali as well. Kiwi was their 2nd choice but according to the Sr Bowl he was shaneo69's first choice.
I like how every year after we draft a player higher than his ranking, there's always 3-4 teams who the Chiefs claim would've taken him with their next pick or tried to trade up to get him.
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:22 PM   #69
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I think he is going to be a good player. Not a great player, but a good player. At #20, I was hoping for great. And maybe he will be. I don't watch many Penn State games. Only thing I have to go by is the Senior Bowl. And I know he was the defensive MVP, but that was very undeserving based upon what I saw.
I bet it was rigged.

Dammit CArl!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:24 PM   #70
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I like how every year after we draft a player higher than his ranking, there's always 3-4 teams who the Chiefs claim would've taken him with their next pick or tried to trade up to get him.
I like how a player's production is proof that he can't produce.

It's like an enigma wrapped in a pastrami sandwich.
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Old 04-30-2006, 08:29 PM   #71
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I bet it was rigged.
Hey man, I'm just telling you what I saw. He did virtually nothing for the entire game. Non-existant. A lot like Hicks.

Sorry, but that is what I saw.

Does that mean he is a bust. NO. But I just didn't see anything to make me think.... Man, this guy is a stud.

Now maybe after the first pre-season game, I will be touting him for the HOF. Who knows.
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I'm gonna give our draft a C+. Hali is the only player that will get significant playing time and become a starter after a few games. I'm starting to warm up to Pollard, but still think he was a bit of a reach. I would rather have picked Richard Marshall or Ashton Youboty. Croyle was a decent pick as a possible QBOTF, but won't be on the field any time soon. The only second day pick that is decent is Webb.

I think that we drafted too many safeties. It seems like half of our current roster is filled with safeties. I would liked to have seen one more CB and one DT drafted. Maybe we can land a nice UDFA.
That's how Herm is. Last year with the Jets his starting safeties were a 4th round rookie and a 5th round second year player. He's always seemed unafraid to draft DB's all over the board and throw them right in the fire. I really would not be surprised to see Pollard getting playing time this year.
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I don't understand why Tamba Hali is seen by some as a 3-4 OLB trying to play DE, but many wanted us to pick someone who is seen as a 3-4 OLB trying to play DE that is 35 pounds lighter. They said they liked his numbers, his size, motor, motivation, attitude, work ethic. I'm fine with it.

I gave the draft a B+. I would have liked to see our second round safety be a corner, but they put a lot more work into the draft than I did, if he's the guy then he's the guy.

I am just glad that they weren't there for BAA in the first. They targeted their guys at positions of need and went out and got them.

BAA took a beating around here for a long time so this should make some people happy.
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I don't understand why Tamba Hali is seen by some as a 3-4 OLB trying to play DE, but many wanted us to pick someone who is seen as a 3-4 OLB trying to play DE that is 35 pounds lighter. They said he liked his numbers, his size, motor, motivation, attitude, work ethic. I'm fine with it.
That's how I see it. Lawson was WAY too small for an everydown LDE in a 4-3. Kiwanuka was, too.

Hali not only is big enough but he has experience at defensive tackle. You don't waste a first rounder on a player that won't play on every down.
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Come on guys. We're missing the real teller.

Has the NFL ever drafted a player from Liberia that DIDN'T bust?

The Liberian Lightmare?
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