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Joe Seahawk · 12-14-2000, 11:37 AM

No Seahawks :(

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Packfan · 12-17-2000, 11:45 AM

Gaz,

"We underachieved for the talent we have on this team"

Not true. You think the Chiefs have more talent than they actually do. This is a team that won 9 games last year, lost its best defensive player, lost Reggie Tounge, and lost Joe Horn. Yet you think they are underachieving with six wins and two games left. I dont understand that. This team gotten worse in the off season, not better.

Yes, Grbac has improved, but everything else gotten worse. When you lose Derrick Thomas and Reggie Tounge and replace them with Greg Wesley and Lew Bush, you are not improving.

Thats part of why Chief fans are so devastated when the team doesnt make the playoffs. The fans always think the talent is better than it actually is.

Hopefully, you wont think this post is nonsense. I know you dont think that Lew Bush and Greg Wesley are better than Tounge and Thomas, so why do you think this team has underachieved? Why do you think it should be better than last year?

You are only as good as your record. Chiefs have proven that the last few years.

**morphius** · 12-17-2000, 12:01 PM

Packfan - Isn't Tongue still riding the bench in Seattle?

Gaz · 12-18-2000, 09:06 AM

Packfan-

I disagree with your latest post, but it was not nonsense. You presented your opinion without the foolish side comments. As a result, I am pleased to discuss that post with you.

As morphius pointed out, Tongue is not even playing for the Seahawks. On the other hand, Wesley is turning into a very good Safety and is my candidate for Rookie of the Year for the Chiefs. We improved at Safety, IMO.

Joe Horn might have prospered under the new Chiefs passing game, but the Chiefs are going with big WRs. Morris had an amazing game against the Rams, but has disappeared on occasion. That is typical of a rookie. You can make the case that we did not improve, but our passing statistics put the lie to that assertion.

As far as Bush is concerned, he has been a disappointment. However, Maslowski is tearing up the field, bringing an intensity and explosive tackling that we have not seen for a while. We are getting sacks from our front 4 on the DL. Between Hicks, Clemmons and Maslowski, we have DT covered. We all miss DT, but our team is filling his presence on the field well enough. DT, bless him, disappeared on the road and was occasionally inconsistent at Arrowhead. Hicks, Clemmons and Maslowski, however, have not been inconsistent. Again, I see improvement in this area.

The problem with the Chiefs is the coaching staff, not the personnel on the field. Given the talent level on the team and the opponents we faced, we overachieved against the Rams and underachieved against the Titans, Chargers, 49ers and Patriots. A legitimate case can be made for underachieving against the Raiders, pointing out that the Spineless Stooge played soft zone against the best dinkdunk QB in the NFL. That cannot legitimately be laid at the feet of the players.

xoxo~
gaz
glad to get the nonsense out of the way.<BR>

12-17-2000, 11:45 AM	#61
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Gaz, "We underachieved for the talent we have on this team" Not true. You think the Chiefs have more talent than they actually do. This is a team that won 9 games last year, lost its best defensive player, lost Reggie Tounge, and lost Joe Horn. Yet you think they are underachieving with six wins and two games left. I dont understand that. This team gotten worse in the off season, not better. Yes, Grbac has improved, but everything else gotten worse. When you lose Derrick Thomas and Reggie Tounge and replace them with Greg Wesley and Lew Bush, you are not improving. Thats part of why Chief fans are so devastated when the team doesnt make the playoffs. The fans always think the talent is better than it actually is. Hopefully, you wont think this post is nonsense. I know you dont think that Lew Bush and Greg Wesley are better than Tounge and Thomas, so why do you think this team has underachieved? Why do you think it should be better than last year? You are only as good as your record. Chiefs have proven that the last few years.
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12-17-2000, 12:01 PM	#62
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6745027	Packfan - Isn't Tongue still riding the bench in Seattle?
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12-18-2000, 09:06 AM	#63
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Packfan- I disagree with your latest post, but it was not nonsense. You presented your opinion without the foolish side comments. As a result, I am pleased to discuss that post with you. As morphius pointed out, Tongue is not even playing for the Seahawks. On the other hand, Wesley is turning into a very good Safety and is my candidate for Rookie of the Year for the Chiefs. We improved at Safety, IMO. Joe Horn might have prospered under the new Chiefs passing game, but the Chiefs are going with big WRs. Morris had an amazing game against the Rams, but has disappeared on occasion. That is typical of a rookie. You can make the case that we did not improve, but our passing statistics put the lie to that assertion. As far as Bush is concerned, he has been a disappointment. However, Maslowski is tearing up the field, bringing an intensity and explosive tackling that we have not seen for a while. We are getting sacks from our front 4 on the DL. Between Hicks, Clemmons and Maslowski, we have DT covered. We all miss DT, but our team is filling his presence on the field well enough. DT, bless him, disappeared on the road and was occasionally inconsistent at Arrowhead. Hicks, Clemmons and Maslowski, however, have not been inconsistent. Again, I see improvement in this area. The problem with the Chiefs is the coaching staff, not the personnel on the field. Given the talent level on the team and the opponents we faced, we overachieved against the Rams and underachieved against the Titans, Chargers, 49ers and Patriots. A legitimate case can be made for underachieving against the Raiders, pointing out that the Spineless Stooge played soft zone against the best dinkdunk QB in the NFL. That cannot legitimately be laid at the feet of the players. xoxo~ gaz glad to get the nonsense out of the way.<BR>
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