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Old 12-21-2006, 10:05 PM  
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:47 PM   #61
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Montana had it all, no doubt about it. Marino had below average talent his whole career-and obliterated every record. If Marino had managed to win a SB-people would not shit on him so bad.
A big part of the reason that Marino holds all those records is that he never had a ground game to support him, and with everything else lacking, he did have an outstanding pass protection group in front of him.

He did have that quick release, but for a team that couldn't run the ball, he had all kinds of time to pass, and he passed a lot.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:47 PM   #62
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Montana had a great team, but he was the type of guy that made everybody around him better. He almost turned Marty Schottenheimer into a winner, that should end the argument right there. Without Montana, Marty literally wouldn't have anything to hang his hat on in the last 20 years since the fumble. If I had one game to win, he'd be my QB.
Marty almost singlehandly created comeback John Elgay too. If it wasn't for his uncanny ability to choke away games under pressure-he would just be considered an above average player.

I won't even mention how the Donks cheated the cap, or how his line greased up to create a dominating running game, or how the NFL protected him the last leg of his career to finally get him the SB titles.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:49 PM   #63
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Montana won 2 superbowls before he had any of these things.
Thanks to an incredible new system and a HOF coach.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:51 PM   #64
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Montana had a great team, but he was the type of guy that made everybody around him better. He almost turned Marty Schottenheimer into a winner, that should end the argument right there. Without Montana, Marty literally wouldn't have anything to hang his hat on in the last 20 years since the fumble. If I had one game to win, he'd be my QB.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:51 PM   #65
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Thanks to an incredible new system and a HOF coach.
Marino would've choked as a 49er. San Fran wouldn't have won a SB without Montana, I guarantee it.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:54 PM   #66
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Marino would've choked as a 49er. San Fran wouldn't have won a SB without Montana, I guarantee it.
How in the hell was Marino a choke artist? He won the most games in the NFl. I think you must be thinking about Shovel pass crybaby Manning.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:55 PM   #67
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Marty almost singlehandly created comeback John Elgay too. If it wasn't for his uncanny ability to choke away games under pressure-he would just be considered an above average player.

Man, I'm glad I never got involved with LSD.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:55 PM   #68
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How in the hell was Marino a choke artist? He won the most games in the NFl. I think you must be thinking about Shovel pass crybaby Manning.


Wrong. John Elway is the current owner of that record.
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:57 PM   #69
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Wrong. John Elway is the current owner of that record.
I thought it was Marino, Favre, Elgay in wins?

What are the current totals?
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How in the hell was Marino a choke artist? He won the most games in the NFl. I think you must be thinking about Shovel pass crybaby Manning.
Marino choked more when it mattered than any other QB in history. Stats are crap. A great QB can make the crappiest team play the role of a SB winner. Marino couldn't.
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You must have missed all the games and playoff games Marty lost to Elgay with his prevent defense.
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Old 12-22-2006, 12:05 AM   #72
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You must have missed all the games and playoff games Marty lost to Elgay with his prevent defense.


And you must have missed that he was being coached by a Marty Schottenheimer clone and managed to raise his game anyway, not to mention the playoff wins against teams such as the Warren Moon-led Houston Oilers, Chuck Noll-led Pittsburgh Steelers, Bill Cowher-led Pittsburgh Steelers, Bill Parcells led New York Jets, Tom Coughlin-led Jacksonville Jaguars, Dan Marino-led Miami Dolphins... And oh yeah, the Brett Favre-led Green Bay Packers.
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say what you want, but speaking of Quarterbacks, (and it's spelled FAVRE, not FARVE... damned mouth-breathers) three hall of fame QBs were drafted in the 1983 QB draft... elway, kelly, and marino

who do we friggin' draft?!?

TODD fuckING BLACKLEDGE

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say what you want, but speaking of Quarterbacks, (and it's spelled FAVRE, not FARVE... damned mouth-breathers) three hall of fame QBs were drafted in the 1983 QB draft... elway, kelly, and marino

who do we friggin' draft?!?

TODD fuckING BLACKLEDGE

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Speaking of which, the 2006 draft was the return of 1983. These three kids are going to be special...
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and for the record, favre's a damned good QB... depending on when you ask me, he's in my top five

in NO particular order (eras too different to determine order)

elway (hate to say it--he ripped the heart literally out of my chest repeatedly--I hate this man)
montana (just won--and isn't that the only job of a QB?)
marino (can't ignore the stats)
faVRe
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