Trent Green Now A Kansas City Chief - Page 5

AJKCFAN · 04-20-2001, 06:02 PM

Green goes to the Chiefs for the 12th pick.

Details are sketchy, but it's on cbssportsline.com now

c13zephyr · 04-20-2001, 09:45 PM

I bet by the end of the season anyone who doubts what is going on, will doubt no longer. 5 years from now we might be back in the hole. However I believe we'll also have something to be proud about other than Len Dawson and his buddies.

donkhater · 04-20-2001, 09:47 PM

I feel better about this deal since we signed Priest Holmes. This kid is better than most think. I had Jamal Lewis last season on my fantasy football team and while watching some Baltimore games, I frequently confused the two of them. I fact I felt Holmes was much quicker and a better receiver. Lewis was powerful and had good straight line speed.

A healthy Green and Holmes or Dilfer and McCallister (maybe). Definately the former. A gimpy Green? He'd better not be.

sun · 04-20-2001, 10:01 PM

and btw........there seems to be alot of comments about trent green being gimpy, damaged goods, etc......personally, i will be less worried about him than elvis girlbac.......how many of us will miss girlbac's girly act every time he got touched????.......what a total pu$$y!!!!!........i would have done this before march first and released girlbac .....but then again, that probally why im not a gm

Logical · 04-20-2001, 10:05 PM

I also want to staunch the negativity.

JL80
You had an error in an earlier post, the Chiefs did not give the Rams a third (this was way early so perhaps you had just assumed).

As far as Priest Holmes he did not fit the offense that Baltimore was running so he was not going to be their starter but he had excellent receiving stats with Baltimore and did a good job when they did run him. His style is almost identical to that of Marshall Faulk (Please note he definitely does not have Marshall's talent level) and will fit welll into the AirSaunders style offense that will be installed.

To everyone,
Someone has said that Green injured his knee again in 2000, that is untrue, he played all 5 games plus completing the Chiefs game and the game where Warner had a concussion towards the end of the season without injury. He had offseason knee surgery to clean out debris from the first surgery, a common practice and it is expected to improve his mobility almost to where it was before he was hurt the first time. I am not a huge Green fan but I will support him completely and I do think he was the best choice for the Chiefs this offseason of what was available with Beurlein being second. Brad Johnson did not fit this offense, Flutie has no arm strength, Dilfer makes slow reads, and the others are not worth talking about. Hasselback was never an option for this offense and is even less game proven.

Mark,
Dude why mortgage the future, Green has at least 5 to 8 years left. Second with the Chiefs o-lines pass blocking ability Green probably will be sacked less than 25 times this season, besides he makes quick reads but does have a tendency to hold on to the ball to long when coverage is good. Quick reads is the most important aspect of this offense.

We were not going to get a great offensive player in the first and DV was not interested in Defense in the first so we would likely have picked a stretch player that was not going to work out (i.e. Bennett or Brees), so big loss for us (not).

DT is the only strength position that would have likely been left as a Chiefs need at 12, the Chiefs are going to play DT by commitee so why waste a #12 on a DT when we were not going to really fully utilize him.

Morgan would have been great, I will admit it and would have loved to have him, but he probably would have been snatched up before our pick. Fletcher will be gone at CB and Smoot is falling and even though considered the second best CB in a not very outstanding class for CBs is now projected to fall to the second half of the 1st round.

We will never know if we could have traded down, so filling three slots prior to the draft is following the bird in the hand is better than three in the bush axiom.

Again to everyone:
We have two thirds, two fourths, two fifths, it is still possible we will give up a single pick in each for a second. The game is not over lets not panic, the season has a lot of potential and so does the remainder of this draft.

Mosbonian · 04-20-2001, 10:39 PM

DenverChief:

Being a Chiefs fan first and foremost since their inception, and being an avid football nut as long as I can remember, I doubt very seriously that you have to spell [b]ANYTHING[/b] out for me.

We are taking a VERY big chance with Green, a guy who is 31 years old and is coming off of a knee injury. The cost for him was WAY too high. Having signed Beurlein for a 2 year deal, drafting a McMahon, T-sosopo, or even Rosenfeld as a latter round pick and let them learn under Beurlein would have been wiser. We could still have signed Holmes(was it ever in doubt), traded up with several teams to get a defensive stud we need badly and come out even better than everyone thinks we are now.

You may want to celebrate and shine the trophy case expecting that Western Division crown to be set there, but I look around the division and see the Chiefs as the team who has done the least in valuable team movements in the off-season.

mmaddog
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Mosbonian · 04-20-2001, 10:43 PM

Logical:

I just see Green as less enticing as everyone else.

You can actually build a team through draft picks, we just have never tried.

mmaddog
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**morphius** · 04-20-2001, 11:17 PM

Well, the orginization got everyone they wanted, now it is time to put up.

Logical · 04-20-2001, 11:17 PM

Mark,

Just so you know, I actually agree on buiding through the draft to an extent. The problem today is that so many players move on just as they mature into a good or great player. It really makes it hard to build solely through the draft.

The Chiefs had too many holes at the skill positions and the #12 was just not high enough to get Deuce or LaDamien especially after the Charger trade. Brees is not a QBOTF with this offense which will I believe be a derivative of AirCoryell (AirSaunders) and Michael Bennett as I said elsewhere could not catch his own pud with either hand if it was swinging, so he would not fit either. We needed those positions filled this season and lets face it we can still get a better QB for this offense in the 3rd or 4th round this year than we would have got with Brees. Tui or Weinke or maybe even McMahon are better suited to the projected offense.

No offense, I am not a big Green fan either but I really believe he was our best option under the conditions for which the trade was made. If we had been required to give up any other pick along with the #1 I would be btching and moaning with you, but instead we got an additional pick as well as freed up Horne to be signed. Remember Horne is the best KR in the league (IMO) and will probably be a good third or fourth receiver for our three and four receiver sets.

Pitt Gorilla · 04-20-2001, 11:30 PM

LMAO, logical, about the pud thing. I totally agree with your take. McMahon or Tui would be well suited to this offense, as are Horne and Holmes. Cloud might also be someone to watch. I had been to the point of praying that we wouldn't draft Bennett that high. The guy played ONE year. Now, if Deuce is available with the #12, I may not be so understanding. However, not only did we NOT give up the third, but we gained a fifth and Horne. Good trade.

milkman · 04-20-2001, 11:38 PM

I firmly believe that you build the core of your team with the draft. When you reach the point that you're just a couple of players away, then you target key FA, or trades. The Chiefs are building this team BackAssWards.

CanadaKC · 04-20-2001, 11:49 PM

Tommycat...just poking fun at an observation, that's all.
Meant no disrespect. But sometimes, be warned, hot-blooded hard-core football fans frequently suffer from verbal diarrhea, and adamantly oppose political correctness.

BTW -- Which team do you think has the best cheerleaders?

Gaz · 04-21-2001, 07:10 AM

My complaints with Green were the price and my concerns about his knee.

The price went from a 1st & 3rd for Green to a 1st for Green, Horne and a 5th.
[i]Acceptable. Good job, Carl.[/i]

His knee still troubles me, but I guess I have to put my faith in the Chiefs staff and the doctors.
[i]Acceptable, but franky worrisome.[/i]

Saunders has the Offense he wants. Now it is time to give Robinson some tools. You Offense Homers might as well go camping this weekend, because the draft now belongs to us neglected Defense Homers.

Let the DTs and LBs fall like the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath...

xoxo~
Gaz
Born-again Green supporter.

shakesthecat · 04-21-2001, 07:26 AM

Logical,
Thanks for saving me a lot of typing!

I like the deal. I feel a hell of a lot better about this team now, than I did at the end of last year.
The Coaching Staff, Offense, and ST have all received big upgrades.
I'd like to think the D gets the attention today.

04-21-2001, 07:37 AM

I was vehemently opposed to the Green deal when first prospered. A first and a third, now way, but the way it turned out, I can live with. It is getting harder and harder, to build thru the draft, and all the so called "experts" do not think the QBOTF is there to be found this year. For all those reasons, this was a good deal. If Morgan falls past #12, I will hate it, but even though Morgan may be the next Derrick Thomas, I don't see him as valuable, as building the offense. Green is here for two years, if his knee is healthy, and our O line gives him the protection he needs, we can look at the draft next year for our SB run.

WisChief · 04-21-2001, 08:00 AM

Well, well, well........

I try to get on here periodically thru the day yesterday and
the board is down - WTF????

Then I'm laying on the couch this morning scratching my arss
and see on the ESPN ticker that all this happened.
HOLY MACARONI BATMAN!!!!!!!!!

Get on here and WOW - mixed reaction to say the least.

Add me to the mix........ I am on record previously of wanting
to keep our first and throw Collins' sorry arss in there and draft
a QB and if Collins flops - throw in the rookie. I must ask again,
what/who in the hell did Green do to warrant this much attention????

But, since VD (I too like that one and will steal it - spank you very
much :D ) has won a SB - I'll support this with all my being.

I do like the Holmes deal though - put TR back to FB where he
belongs and let Holmes, Cloud and FM battle it out IN CAMP
(not during the season) and let that winner be our premier,
full time, ball hoggin, gosh danged runn'n back!!!!!!!!!!

04-20-2001, 09:45 PM	#61
c13zephyr Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Des Moines, IA Casino cash: $10004900	I bet by the end of the season anyone who doubts what is going on, will doubt no longer. 5 years from now we might be back in the hole. However I believe we'll also have something to be proud about other than Len Dawson and his buddies. __________________ Zephyr - The wind that slides quietly.
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04-20-2001, 09:47 PM	#62
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	I feel better about this deal since we signed Priest Holmes. This kid is better than most think. I had Jamal Lewis last season on my fantasy football team and while watching some Baltimore games, I frequently confused the two of them. I fact I felt Holmes was much quicker and a better receiver. Lewis was powerful and had good straight line speed. A healthy Green and Holmes or Dilfer and McCallister (maybe). Definately the former. A gimpy Green? He'd better not be. __________________ The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
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04-20-2001, 10:01 PM	#63
sun Tacklen' Fuel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Farmington, Mo. Casino cash: $10004900	and btw........there seems to be alot of comments about trent green being gimpy, damaged goods, etc......personally, i will be less worried about him than elvis girlbac.......how many of us will miss girlbac's girly act every time he got touched????.......what a total pu$$y!!!!!........i would have done this before march first and released girlbac .....but then again, that probally why im not a gm __________________ "they'll turn us all into beggars cause they're easier to please, i aint gonna eat no government cheese"......the Rainmakers
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04-20-2001, 10:05 PM	#64
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I also want to staunch the negativity. JL80 You had an error in an earlier post, the Chiefs did not give the Rams a third (this was way early so perhaps you had just assumed). As far as Priest Holmes he did not fit the offense that Baltimore was running so he was not going to be their starter but he had excellent receiving stats with Baltimore and did a good job when they did run him. His style is almost identical to that of Marshall Faulk (Please note he definitely does not have Marshall's talent level) and will fit welll into the AirSaunders style offense that will be installed. To everyone, Someone has said that Green injured his knee again in 2000, that is untrue, he played all 5 games plus completing the Chiefs game and the game where Warner had a concussion towards the end of the season without injury. He had offseason knee surgery to clean out debris from the first surgery, a common practice and it is expected to improve his mobility almost to where it was before he was hurt the first time. I am not a huge Green fan but I will support him completely and I do think he was the best choice for the Chiefs this offseason of what was available with Beurlein being second. Brad Johnson did not fit this offense, Flutie has no arm strength, Dilfer makes slow reads, and the others are not worth talking about. Hasselback was never an option for this offense and is even less game proven. Mark, Dude why mortgage the future, Green has at least 5 to 8 years left. Second with the Chiefs o-lines pass blocking ability Green probably will be sacked less than 25 times this season, besides he makes quick reads but does have a tendency to hold on to the ball to long when coverage is good. Quick reads is the most important aspect of this offense. We were not going to get a great offensive player in the first and DV was not interested in Defense in the first so we would likely have picked a stretch player that was not going to work out (i.e. Bennett or Brees), so big loss for us (not). DT is the only strength position that would have likely been left as a Chiefs need at 12, the Chiefs are going to play DT by commitee so why waste a #12 on a DT when we were not going to really fully utilize him. Morgan would have been great, I will admit it and would have loved to have him, but he probably would have been snatched up before our pick. Fletcher will be gone at CB and Smoot is falling and even though considered the second best CB in a not very outstanding class for CBs is now projected to fall to the second half of the 1st round. We will never know if we could have traded down, so filling three slots prior to the draft is following the bird in the hand is better than three in the bush axiom. Again to everyone: We have two thirds, two fourths, two fifths, it is still possible we will give up a single pick in each for a second. The game is not over lets not panic, the season has a lot of potential and so does the remainder of this draft.
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04-20-2001, 10:39 PM	#65
Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2009700	DenverChief: Being a Chiefs fan first and foremost since their inception, and being an avid football nut as long as I can remember, I doubt very seriously that you have to spell [b]ANYTHING[/b] out for me. We are taking a VERY big chance with Green, a guy who is 31 years old and is coming off of a knee injury. The cost for him was WAY too high. Having signed Beurlein for a 2 year deal, drafting a McMahon, T-sosopo, or even Rosenfeld as a latter round pick and let them learn under Beurlein would have been wiser. We could still have signed Holmes(was it ever in doubt), traded up with several teams to get a defensive stud we need badly and come out even better than everyone thinks we are now. You may want to celebrate and shine the trophy case expecting that Western Division crown to be set there, but I look around the division and see the Chiefs as the team who has done the least in valuable team movements in the off-season. mmaddog *************
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04-20-2001, 06:02 PM
AJKCFAN Head Chief, Esq. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: New York Casino cash: $1781798	Green goes to the Chiefs for the 12th pick. Details are sketchy, but it's on cbssportsline.com now
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04-20-2001, 10:43 PM	#66
Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2009700	Logical: I just see Green as less enticing as everyone else. You can actually build a team through draft picks, we just have never tried. mmaddog *********
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04-20-2001, 11:17 PM	#67
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6745027	Well, the orginization got everyone they wanted, now it is time to put up.
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04-20-2001, 11:30 PM	#69
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $2510194	LMAO, logical, about the pud thing. I totally agree with your take. McMahon or Tui would be well suited to this offense, as are Horne and Holmes. Cloud might also be someone to watch. I had been to the point of praying that we wouldn't draft Bennett that high. The guy played ONE year. Now, if Deuce is available with the #12, I may not be so understanding. However, not only did we NOT give up the third, but we gained a fifth and Horne. Good trade. __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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04-20-2001, 11:38 PM	#70
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	I firmly believe that you build the core of your team with the draft. When you reach the point that you're just a couple of players away, then you target key FA, or trades. The Chiefs are building this team BackAssWards. __________________
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04-20-2001, 11:49 PM	#71
CanadaKC Lord of the SB Rings Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Casino cash: $6518668	Tommycat...just poking fun at an observation, that's all. Meant no disrespect. But sometimes, be warned, hot-blooded hard-core football fans frequently suffer from verbal diarrhea, and adamantly oppose political correctness. BTW -- Which team do you think has the best cheerleaders?
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04-21-2001, 07:10 AM	#72
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	My complaints with Green were the price and my concerns about his knee. The price went from a 1st & 3rd for Green to a 1st for Green, Horne and a 5th. [i]Acceptable. Good job, Carl.[/i] His knee still troubles me, but I guess I have to put my faith in the Chiefs staff and the doctors. [i]Acceptable, but franky worrisome.[/i] Saunders has the Offense he wants. Now it is time to give Robinson some tools. You Offense Homers might as well go camping this weekend, because the draft now belongs to us neglected Defense Homers. Let the DTs and LBs fall like the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath... xoxo~ Gaz Born-again Green supporter.
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04-21-2001, 07:26 AM	#73
shakesthecat Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IA Casino cash: $3903833	Logical, Thanks for saving me a lot of typing! I like the deal. I feel a hell of a lot better about this team now, than I did at the end of last year. The Coaching Staff, Offense, and ST have all received big upgrades. I'd like to think the D gets the attention today.
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04-21-2001, 07:37 AM	#74
kcred Guest Casino cash: $	I was vehemently opposed to the Green deal when first prospered. A first and a third, now way, but the way it turned out, I can live with. It is getting harder and harder, to build thru the draft, and all the so called "experts" do not think the QBOTF is there to be found this year. For all those reasons, this was a good deal. If Morgan falls past #12, I will hate it, but even though Morgan may be the next Derrick Thomas, I don't see him as valuable, as building the offense. Green is here for two years, if his knee is healthy, and our O line gives him the protection he needs, we can look at the draft next year for our SB run.
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04-21-2001, 08:00 AM	#75
WisChief GO 'NOLES! Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10005400	Well, well, well........ I try to get on here periodically thru the day yesterday and the board is down - WTF???? Then I'm laying on the couch this morning scratching my arss and see on the ESPN ticker that all this happened. HOLY MACARONI BATMAN!!!!!!!!! Get on here and WOW - mixed reaction to say the least. Add me to the mix........ I am on record previously of wanting to keep our first and throw Collins' sorry arss in there and draft a QB and if Collins flops - throw in the rookie. I must ask again, what/who in the hell did Green do to warrant this much attention???? But, since VD (I too like that one and will steal it - spank you very much :D ) has won a SB - I'll support this with all my being. I do like the Holmes deal though - put TR back to FB where he belongs and let Holmes, Cloud and FM battle it out IN CAMP (not during the season) and let that winner be our premier, full time, ball hoggin, gosh danged runn'n back!!!!!!!!!!
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