Royals Mr. Jose wants Traded - Page 5

Mr. Arrowhead · 07-29-2008, 02:23 PM

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Source: Relationship with Hillman in tatters, Guillen wants out of K.C.

By Enrique Rojas
ESPNdeportes.com
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Updated: July 29, 2008, 3:37 PM ET

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Left fielder Jose Guillen wants out of Kansas City pronto, according to a source who spoke to ESPNdeportes.com on condition of anonymity.

Guillen feels the Royals have not kept the promises made when he signed for three years and $36 million during the offseason, said the source. But the main reason he is in "living hell in Kansas City" is a foul relationship with manager Trey Hillman.

"Guillen and Hillman are not on speaking terms, they don't talk," said the source. "Guillen is definitely not happy, he's not comfortable and he would do anything he can in economic terms to ease his way out of Kansas City."

When Guillen signed with Kansas City he knew the team wouldn't be a contender in 2008, but he was promised that moves would be made to build a winning team in 2009, said the source.

The 32-year-old is leading the Royals with 14 home runs and 69 RBIs, but he has been nursing a groin injury that kept him out of the lineup on Sunday against the Tampa Bay Rays.

Guillen's bat could help a number of teams in the race for the postseason, but Kansas City has not shown any interest in trading him. The source said Guillen is ready to defer his salary for 2009 and 2010 if it helps increase his value on the trading block.

Enrique Rojas is a reporter for ESPNdeportes.com.

OmahaChief · 07-29-2008, 03:13 PM

Guillen is a average talent and aways has been. He has never been a team guy and always been a me guy. That works great when he is putting up big numbers, like he did one month for KC. He keeps using the injury excuse as why he appears to be doggin plays. Well Jose, had you come into camp in shape maybe it would have helped you with that injury issue you have had all year.

Bottom line is Guillen never was and never was intended to be a long term cog in the rebuild so if he nets us anything in return great.

The reason I think people like Teahan is that he trys hard every time he is on the field. No doggin it, no showboatin, just ball playin. I am a fan of his but these last two years he has not shown much. I wish they would pick one spot for him and let him play it all the time. Not sure that would help the numbers but it might.

milmil13 · 07-29-2008, 03:17 PM

Guillen is the poor mans Manny Ramirez, and he doesn't even produce like Manny does.

Is it any coincidence that the guy has been playing awful and you hear nothing from him, and then last night he hits a home run so he is free to call out the organization again.

I was all for the guy originally, but now it is just getting ridiculous.

Mecca · 07-29-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief

Guillen is a average talent and aways has been. He has never been a team guy and always been a me guy. That works great when he is putting up big numbers, like he did one month for KC. He keeps using the injury excuse as why he appears to be doggin plays. Well Jose, had you come into camp in shape maybe it would have helped you with that injury issue you have had all year.

Bottom line is Guillen never was and never was intended to be a long term cog in the rebuild so if he nets us anything in return great.

The reason I think people like Teahan is that he trys hard every time he is on the field. No doggin it, no showboatin, just ball playin. I am a fan of his but these last two years he has not shown much. I wish they would pick one spot for him and let him play it all the time. Not sure that would help the numbers but it might.

Being versatile might be the only thing that keeps Teahen in the majors, even a good team will accept a 25th man that doesn't hit very well if he can play a bunch of positions.

ChiefsCountry · 07-29-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

What awesome player did the Braves develop in their system....

Chipper Jones is the only 1 I can think of off hand and he was the #1 overall pick in a year where he was far and away that pick every team would have taken him it wasn't some hard choice.

90% of the Braves team was built on other teams talent, they also believe in the "old school" approach to drafting and well drafting on natural talent may not be the best thing in baseball being a great athlete doesn't always translate to being a great baseball player.

It's a little bothersome when you go take a look at those things.

Tom Glavine
David Justice
Steve Avery

Those are 3 off the top of my head, who were pretty damn good to go along with Chipper.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-29-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

What awesome player did the Braves develop in their system....

Chipper Jones is the only 1 I can think of off hand and he was the #1 overall pick in a year where he was far and away that pick every team would have taken him it wasn't some hard choice.

90% of the Braves team was built on other teams talent, they also believe in the "old school" approach to drafting and well drafting on natural talent may not be the best thing in baseball being a great athlete doesn't always translate to being a great baseball player.

It's a little bothersome when you go take a look at those things.

Adam Wainwright, Brian McCann would be the only recent ones I can think of.

Glavine and Justice were probably their two best from the 80's, but both were pre Schuerholz.

**Dartgod** · 07-29-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

People have defended Teahen on this forum as recently as during this season...

Petegz is the only one that I can remember doing that. There may be a couple more, but don't makie it sound as if there is a huge contingency of Teahen supporters here.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-29-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milmil13

Guillen is the poor mans Manny Ramirez, and he doesn't even produce like Manny does.

Is it any coincidence that the guy has been playing awful and you hear nothing from him, and then last night he hits a home run so he is free to call out the organization again.

I was all for the guy originally, but now it is just getting ridiculous.

Three years ago the Cards paid 4 million for Juan Encarnacion who is the same guy that Guillen is at the plate, but a far better defensive outfielder. He's also a poor teammate, but not near the Bonds-esque cancer that Guillen is.

Why in the blue fuck would Guillen be worth 3 times Encarnacion?

Mecca · 07-29-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Adam Wainwright, Brian McCann would be the only recent ones I can think of.

Glavine and Justice were probably their two best from the 80's, but both were pre Schuerholz.

That's why I didn't count them, I was basically going with the regime Moore comes from.

ChiefsCountry · 07-29-2008, 03:21 PM

Javy Lopez and Rafael Furcal is a couple of homegrown Braves.

Mecca · 07-29-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Javy Lopez and Rafael Furcal is a couple of homegrown Braves.

Which I believe is a credit to their foreign scouting because I don't think either were drafted, their draft history is not pleasant.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-29-2008, 03:28 PM

Ha, #2 on his list of similar batters, Juan Encarnacion.

OmahaChief · 07-29-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Being versatile might be the only thing that keeps Teahen in the majors, even a good team will accept a 25th man that doesn't hit very well if he can play a bunch of positions.

That might be true on a good team but a good team the Royals are not. So letting him concentrate on one position would give them a chance to let him sink or swim and if he keeps hitting like he is he can become a utility player or member of the O Royals. I am not giving Teahan a pass by any means he flat out sucks this year at the plate for the most part and on most other clubs is an end of the bench guy.

Carlota69 · 07-29-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Get him out of the fish bowl of KC and he'll thrive in a more player-friendly market.

I highly disagree! He used to be in a player friendly market.

I'm an Angels fan, and we are super player friendly. We love our players and we hated him. He was the only Angel that drew boos form the crowd. The guy is a grade-A jackass.
He was such a jerk in the clubhouse, that we benched him just before playoffs, and he had a high batting average, RBI's etc...but still we said No way Jose. There's a reason he keeps going from one team to another.

The guy is hopeless, period. Awesome with the bat, but awful outside the lines.

WilliamTheIrish · 07-29-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That's fine but you gotta admit he's taken way more than his fair share for being on this garbage team and pretty much just bitching that he doesn't accept losing....

Your telling me that a guy making 10mil+ a year while putting up Richie Sexon like numbers, can't handle the FEW fans that complain about his lackadaisical play?

Mecca, you are the person on this board with the greatest messiah complex. When you are criticized, you paint the entire board with the brush. And here, defending Guillen, you've done the same.

There's a difference between being professional and being a professional. Unfortunately, neither you nor Guillen understands the distinction.

Hilarious stuff.

Deberg_1990 · 07-29-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DT58HOF

i dont blame him they are a minor league franchise playing in majors

Pretty much. They will NEVER compete until they get their minor league system to produce with consistancy.

Guys like Gordon and Butler MUST hit or they dont stand a chance.

07-29-2008, 02:23 PM
Mr. Arrowhead MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10015708	Mr. Jose wants Traded http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3509805 Source: Relationship with Hillman in tatters, Guillen wants out of K.C. By Enrique Rojas ESPNdeportes.com (Archive) Updated: July 29, 2008, 3:37 PM ET * Comment * Email * Print Left fielder Jose Guillen wants out of Kansas City pronto, according to a source who spoke to ESPNdeportes.com on condition of anonymity. Guillen feels the Royals have not kept the promises made when he signed for three years and $36 million during the offseason, said the source. But the main reason he is in "living hell in Kansas City" is a foul relationship with manager Trey Hillman. "Guillen and Hillman are not on speaking terms, they don't talk," said the source. "Guillen is definitely not happy, he's not comfortable and he would do anything he can in economic terms to ease his way out of Kansas City." When Guillen signed with Kansas City he knew the team wouldn't be a contender in 2008, but he was promised that moves would be made to build a winning team in 2009, said the source. The 32-year-old is leading the Royals with 14 home runs and 69 RBIs, but he has been nursing a groin injury that kept him out of the lineup on Sunday against the Tampa Bay Rays. Guillen's bat could help a number of teams in the race for the postseason, but Kansas City has not shown any interest in trading him. The source said Guillen is ready to defer his salary for 2009 and 2010 if it helps increase his value on the trading block. Enrique Rojas is a reporter for ESPNdeportes.com.
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OmahaChief Down with Nino Brown Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Omaha Casino cash: $9425000	Guillen is a average talent and aways has been. He has never been a team guy and always been a me guy. That works great when he is putting up big numbers, like he did one month for KC. He keeps using the injury excuse as why he appears to be doggin plays. Well Jose, had you come into camp in shape maybe it would have helped you with that injury issue you have had all year. Bottom line is Guillen never was and never was intended to be a long term cog in the rebuild so if he nets us anything in return great. The reason I think people like Teahan is that he trys hard every time he is on the field. No doggin it, no showboatin, just ball playin. I am a fan of his but these last two years he has not shown much. I wish they would pick one spot for him and let him play it all the time. Not sure that would help the numbers but it might.
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