Chiefs Please post success stories about LBs drafted in the top 5. - Page 5

Frankie · 04-10-2009, 11:46 AM

I know Derrick Thomas was one. But with more and more talk about Aaron Curry as our potential pick I want to know who else justified his high pick as a linebacker.

(Where in the 1st did LT go, btw?)

melbar · 04-10-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Because they are stupid mother****ers who don't understand how football works and assume that because there is an "LB" next to the player's name, that they all have identical skillsets.

Yes, but you are the board genius. You know "how football works". Nobody knows the things you do. Its just you and Mecca and the rest of us dangling at the bottom of the foodchain. Maybe if we would all just resort to f bombs and flinging poo, we could look as intelligent as you do.

melbar · 04-10-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Generally speaking when you are the best player on your college team if you could get sacks they'd have you doing it...

He doesn't have that skillset.

OR, OR....Maybe as far and away the best player on the team you get a lot of attention. A lot of double teams. Every Highlight I've seen he's chasing a play or QB rolling away from him. Just a thought.

SBK · 04-10-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

We don't know that do we? He looks like he has the speed and athleticism to be able to do it. Is it really far fetched that Wake Forest never asked him to be a sacker? I don't know the answer, but why not?

Do you think Derrick Thomas would have been covering TE's at Alabama because that's what the defensive scheme was?

Curry didn't rush the passer because he was better used covering TE's---which is a far superior and important skill than rushing the passer.

melbar · 04-10-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Covering the tight end is far more important than rushing the passer.

This is more of the brilliant insight that makes you a board MVP...

jidar · 04-10-2009, 10:27 PM

Is there anyone more sure of themselves than Internet forum nerds? I swear. You guys have the memories of goldfish with how many predictions you get wrong, but it doesn't stop you from coming in here and saying what players are and aren't worth drafting as if it's a matter of fact.

tk13 · 04-10-2009, 10:34 PM

The only problem with this is argument, which is fairly accurate, is that who else do you draft? Then you're left drafting a LT or Crabtree. Some people would say Raji, which I understand... but you cannot make this argument that's being made here and say we should take Raji. The list of top 5 DT"s is not any good either.

RustShack · 04-11-2009, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

So, to summarize, if one was to pick a 3-4 OLB for a 4-3 ILB position, he wouldn't be suited to play a 4-3 NT, a 3-4 DE, a 3-4 NT or a 4-3 LOLB, but he could be a 4-3 ROLB capable of switching to a 3-4 LDE or a 4-3 RDE or a 3-4 SSOLB or a 4-3 DT but not a 3-4 DT, a 4-3 RDE/ROLB, a 3-4 MILB, a 4-3 ROLB or a 3-4 NT, depending upon positional value of a 4-3 DT versus a 3-4 NT, a 3-4 MLB versus a 4-3 RDE and as such, conversely, a 4-3 LDE, a 3-4 MILB and a 4-3 ROLB posses schematic positional value as seen by a team running a hybrid 3-4 or even a hybrid 4-3 over such positions as a 3-4 LOLB, a 4-3 RDT and a 4-3 LDE?

Gotcha.

I think your a lost cause.

rad · 04-11-2009, 05:58 AM

Since the talent sucks in the top of this draft, take the best positional value.....Sanchez.

Rigodan · 04-11-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar

Is there anyone more sure of themselves than Internet forum nerds? I swear. You guys have the memories of goldfish with how many predictions you get wrong, but it doesn't stop you from coming in here and saying what players are and aren't worth drafting as if it's a matter of fact.

You'd be better off trying to refute thier arguments than whining about how smart they are.

I don't know as much about football as Mecca and Hamas but I end up siding with them a lot because logically they make a lot more sense. Saying that someone who will primarily cover the other teams tight end is worthy of a #3 pick or saying Aaron Curry can learn to rush the passer despite not practicing it for the last 4 years when there will be alot of guys who have been practicing it for the last 4 years as DE's and won't be successful at it just doesn't make sense. You don't have logic on your side.

milkman · 04-11-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

How many on that list played MLB/ILB for the team that drafted them?

Why are people comparing Curry to pass-rushing OLB's? He's not.

The more I see of Curry, the more I see him as Harry Carson type.

Great LB, but not one I'd draft 3# overall.

milkman · 04-11-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Junior Seau was never a big pass rushing lb. He was also undeniably valuable.

Yes, but he brought an intensity that infected the rest of that defense, which overshadowed his tendency to overrun plays.

Funny thing is, Rey Mauluga is the guy that reminds many of Junior Seau because, like Seau he has a tendency to overrun plays but also has that same type of intensity.

milkman · 04-11-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ

That Dick Butkus guy was pretty good, but he probably doesn't count cause he was white and had a crew cut.

Does the LB position have an inordinately high rate of failure when drafted in the top 5?

Different era.

In those days offenses didn't pass the ball nearly as much.

Johnny Unitas was considered somewhat pass happy, and he only had one season in which he attempted more than 350 passes.

But even then, Butkus brought that Seau, Ray Lewis type intensity.

whoman69 · 04-11-2009, 10:21 AM

The whole argument against drafting Curry is that he is not a sack guy and you don't non-sack linebackers in the top 10. IMO getting a guy who can cover will give our pass rush more time to get to the QB. We also haven't had any presence at MLB to take on the run game. I'm not saying Curry can be Ray Lewis or Willie Lanier, but this team needs a player in the middle of the field that we haven't had since Marvcus Patton lost a step.

Brock · 04-11-2009, 10:22 AM

The pass rush makes the coverage, not the other way around.

acesn8s · 04-11-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I don't think there is a single person who thinks Raji would be a better 3-4 NT than 4-3 NT. A big 4-3 NT playing 3-4 NT is a lot closer to a 4-3 DE playing 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 OLB playing 3-4 ILB is anyways. I don't know if you know this, but the Chiefs will be running a hybrid defense using both schemes... so a DE/OLB or a NT/NT is a hell of a lot more valuable than a OLB/ILB(4-3 position/3-4 position).

It's a good thing that the Chiefs don't draft players to play the position that they played in college.

04-10-2009, 11:46 AM
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Please post success stories about LBs drafted in the top 5. I know Derrick Thomas was one. But with more and more talk about Aaron Curry as our potential pick I want to know who else justified his high pick as a linebacker. (Where in the 1st did LT go, btw?)
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1422500	The only problem with this is argument, which is fairly accurate, is that who else do you draft? Then you're left drafting a LT or Crabtree. Some people would say Raji, which I understand... but you cannot make this argument that's being made here and say we should take Raji. The list of top 5 DT"s is not any good either.
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