Legal Steroids

[MTG#10]

Whats the closest thing to steroids that you can buy over the counter or online? Im looking for something that will enhance the effectiveness of working out without the side effects of illegal anabolic steroids.

I used to be pretty cut back in my early 20's and used all kinds of supplements but I never really knew if they were helping or not. Ive let myself go a little bit since then, Im not fat but Im definitely soft and with summer coming up ive decided to get back in shape.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

I thought all creatine did was make your muscles retain water so the look bigger?

That's one of the aspects of it, but not the ONLY aspect. Are you under the impression that your muscles aren't composed of a ton of water as it is?

[Silock]

Originally Posted by SBK

When lifting count to 5, one thousand one, one thousand 2 etc so you do 5 seconds up and 5 seconds down. Then you want to lift until failure, which should be 8-12 reps, no more. Wait 3 minutes between each exercise. It takes about 30 minutes and you should lift 2x per week.

I have no problem with your actual routine, but lifting to failure every time you workout isn't the most efficient or effective way to stimulate them. Lifting to failure more than once every few weeks isn't a good idea.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by googlegoogle

Don't DIET. Reducing calaries only wastes your muscle. I learned this the hard way.(angry)

That's absolutely ridiculous. Your diet must have sucked. You need the appropriate amount of fat, protein and carbohydrates (remember: carbs are protein-sparing).

[Silock]

Originally Posted by KC_CHIEFS_06

Btw a GREAT place to learn about dieting, workouts, supplements, everything you possible need can be found at bodybuilding.com, and not chiefsplanet And heres to a happy transformation!

Good stuff. However, I've found that the store at dpsnutrition.com is usually cheaper than bb.com.

Also, he might want to look into time-release Beta Alanine supplementation instead of or in addition to creatine supplementation.

[wild1]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

What is all gimmicky? Buy a bottle or RPN Havoc for $29.99 at Nutraplanet.com, take it for 4 weeks and get back to me.

i've heard of Havoc, what can you tell us about it?

afraid to look up things on the internet about this kind of stuff, there's so much viral marketing out there

[MTG#10]

I appreciate everyone's help and advice, I think Im just going to stick to a healthy diet and try protein shakes out again. Maybe try creatine later on but not until Ive got a good training program established. Im not big on going to the gym, cant stand people so I'll just do it like I did in my early 20's and stick to running, push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, dips, and my good ol' trusty curl bar.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by KC_CHIEFS_06

First off you need to have your diet in check before you worry about any supplements or they won't be doing a whole lot of good. I don't know when you workout (you should be working out atleast 3-4 times per week) I go Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, I go upper body monday and thursday, lower body tuesday and friday. So go get yourself a gym membership. I don't know what your goals are exactly...For breakfast eat complex carbs and slow digesting protein such as oatmeal, eggs, and a banana. I don't know when/if you work out. but preworkout you want carbs and protein again, workout hard absolutely push yourself-you have to put in hard work in and out of the gym you can't have one without the other, especially after your beginner gains. Post workout speed is the key replenishing lost nutrients and rebuilding muscle fibers, so a quick acting protein like whey protein, along with fast acting carbs, and creatine is great here. I personally use universal torrent for postwork (a supplement that be found at bodybuilding.com) You should be eating 6 meals a day. Drink lots of water and eat a veggie with lunch and supper. Avoid processed foods, fats, beer, soda as much as possible I realize you may need a little once in awhile to keep yourself sain. You should get 20-30 grams of protein with each meal try to pick a main healthy protein, carb, and healthy fat source- aim for 1.5 g's of protein per pound of bodyweight each day. Before bed, Slow acting protein also known as casein protein is big to help fuel your body throughout the night so you don't go into the catabolic state. So milk and eggs or cottage cheeese is a good choice here. It takes hard work, consistency, motivation, and the willpower to follow through. Btw a GREAT place to learn about dieting, workouts, supplements, everything you possible need can be found at bodybuilding.com, and not chiefsplanet And heres to a happy transformation!

Excellent post. Once you have this down then you can move on to more advanced things if you like, but some supplements do work and can help keep things fresh and intersting especially once you have hit the wall.

[Dante84]

As far as creatine goes, I take Storm EVF from Universal Nutrition. I am in my third week, and I can really tell the gains. Also, I can really feel the pump after a lift!
I lift 3 days a week, and very intense workouts. I take one scoop on non-lift days, and two scoops on lift days (30 mins before lifting, and as soon as I can after lifting).

Also, as an extra benefit, it tastes great! Fruit punch kinda tastes like mashed up sweet tarts. And I ****ing love sweet tarts.

I also am taking a whey protein supplement as well. 1.5 scoops in the morning every day, and 1.5 scoops post workout on lifting days.

I am 5'11 and weigh 182 lbs. I am 23 years old on Saturday the 25th, and I am devoted to losing my college gut. I started working out last August 08, but I slacked and was very inconsistent. I noticed little gains, but that was because I went from nothing to something, even if I half assed it.

I got serious about it in Feb. 09. I want to get in shape for summer, and I desperately want a six pack like I had in highschool. I have the top two visible, the middle two are barely visible, and of course the bottom two are wrapped by an ever shrinking spare tire.

I ran three miles tonight, and I am very excited and proud of myself. I never thought I would be able to do that!

So keep it up, and good luck. As the other guys said, this probably isn't the place to learn about getting in shape and what-not, but it helps to talk to normal dudes in similar situations instead of meat heads at the gym or on body building forums.

PS- you said you aren't doing it to get pussy, because you are married. Do it for yourself then! Pull a Lester Burnam from American Beauty, just don't try and **** your teenage daughter's friend. Or get shot. Man I love that movie.

[Simplex3]

There was a bodybuilder probably more than ten years ago who retired and said that it was no longer bodybuilding, it was chemical warfare.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by MTG#10

I thought all creatine did was make your muscles retain water so the look bigger?

Yes, precisely. I don't actually look bigger or gain much weight on creatine like most people though. I notice about 2 lbs gain if that, and that's it. But it hydrates you with more water where you need it so you can lift more. When you lift more, you put extra strain on your muscles that you otherwise wouldn't of had, thus forcing your muscles to adapt and get larger/stonger after creatine isn't in your system.

[googlegoogle]

Prohormones.

don't know if they work.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Dante84

.. just don't try and **** your teenage daughter's friend.

Too late: I think at least one poster has already confessed to this.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by googlegoogle

Prohormones.

don't know if they work.

They do. Google it.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Too late: I think at least one poster has already confessed to this.

Damnit! I haven't been here long enough yet! That would have been a really good thread back in my lurkin' days.

[MTG#10]

Which one of these creatine products would you guys recommend? Do the cheaper brands work as well as the more expensive brands?

http://www.nutraplanet.com/search?query=creatine