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Old 05-11-2009, 07:55 AM  
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Car buying advice?

Ok, my wife might be selling her chevy trailblazer. She is wanting a car. She really likes the pontiac grand prix. I would prefer something else because i have heard they have a lot of trouble around 100k miles. Plus everyone and their brother has one. What are some good cars that are kind of sporty with 4 doors. And do I get a loan from my bank, or do I try and finance through them? What do I want to look for and what do I want to stay away from with car dealers. I normally have the money through my bank and just go in and offer what I want and they take it or dont and I write a check. I have seen all the good offers on t.v. and thought we might be able to get a better deal through the dealership. Advice?
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:19 PM   #61
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The main issue with the turbos is crankwalk on the 4g63. But that engine is absolutely fantastic and can take a shit load of boost without modification.

Other than that, there really is no redeeming feature about that car. Non-turbo models are slow and they never handled particularly well. Nor are they reliable.
I just want one for blocks on the front yard. The nonturbo would make less of an excuse for not fixing it.
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:24 PM   #62
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"American" cars are no more American than Hondas are. Sorry to burst your bubble.

And no, GM still sucks donkey balls compared to its "foreign" brethren.

Ford, however, I'd buy.
Lol. Wow. You would rather buy ford over gm. That pretty much discounts any argument u may think u have from this point forward. Go drive a new gm and then come talk 2 me. And the argument isn't about wether or not honda is better than gm, its about the fact that people come on here blasting gm in there efforts to suck off honda. The point is, this couple want an american car, and there are plenty of viable american options out there. They don't need u or anyone else to deter them and bad mouth american cars when half the people poppin off don't know what they r talking about
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:32 PM   #63
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Lol. Wow. You would rather buy ford over gm. That pretty much discounts any argument u may think u have from this point forward.
Yeah, I would, considering their build quality is now pretty much on-par with both Honda and Toyota. GM -- not so much. Ford has been continually improving. GM has, too, but not to the same extent.

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Go drive a new gm and then come talk 2 me.
I did. I was really wanting to buy a new Sky or Solstice, but they both drove like ass compared to a Miata or S2000.

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THEY AREN'T AMERICAN CARS (at least, not THAT much more than a Toyota or Honda or Nissan that is built here by American workers). That's just a leftover mentality from the time that they were.

And yes, GM SUCKS DONKEY BALLS (although, I'd love to have a CTS-V or a Z06... only exceptions I'd make, though).
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:32 PM   #64
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Lol. Wow. You would rather buy ford over gm. That pretty much discounts any argument u may think u have from this point forward. Go drive a new gm and then come talk 2 me. And the argument isn't about wether or not honda is better than gm, its about the fact that people come on here blasting gm in there efforts to suck off honda. The point is, this couple want an american car, and there are plenty of viable american options out there. They don't need u or anyone else to deter them and bad mouth american cars when half the people poppin off don't know what they r talking about
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The other half do.

Prozac up there little buddy. Did Richard Simmons run you off the road in a Honda or what?
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Old 05-11-2009, 08:50 PM   #65
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Some of the people on this board are stuck in the past, news flash people, gm has significantly improved the build quality
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3 lies I've heard for the last 20 years of my life about the US:

1. Soccer is about to become popular in the US
2. The US will convert to the metric system
3. American cars are as good as Japanese cars

They are all patently absurd. I don't think I have ever heard anyone say anything resembling, "I wish I hadn't bought that Accord/Camry/Maxima. It was a piece of crap that couldn't stay out of the shop." Can you say the same thing about any American car?

Initial quality is also about the stupidest category ever. I couldn't care less about initial quality. Tell me about the quality of the vehicle 3, 5, and 10 years down the line, and I'll listen.
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Old 05-11-2009, 09:32 PM   #66
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The other half do.

Prozac up there little buddy. Did Richard Simmons run you off the road in a Honda or what?


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Old 05-11-2009, 09:34 PM   #67
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Interesting advice but your advice is based in ignorance. The Chevrolet Malibu was rated the highest in Initial Quality by J.D. Powers and offers a significantly better warranty than any import.
You know what's even better than a good warranty?

A car that doesn't need one.
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Old 05-11-2009, 10:18 PM   #68
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You know what's even better than a good warranty?

A car that doesn't need one.
Truth. I have an '02 Acura that's never been in the shop for anything other than routine maintenance. That's not bad for a car that's 7 years old.
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Old 05-11-2009, 10:22 PM   #69
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Really, you guys don't recommend the MR? I have really convinced myself that it was the best 40k car for what I want. I've been thinking about the WRX STi for some time, but the new models are not appealing to me at all and are a far cry compared to the previous generation.

It's def. not a family car and I just threw it as half-joke and to see any reaction to it. It's a rather successful rally car and even the stock version is rather impressive (without any tuning). I'm not a ricer or anything, but that car is fast, beautiful an handles like a champ. It's a poor(er) man's Nissan GTR. And now I read all this....
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Old 05-11-2009, 10:25 PM   #70
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Really, you guys don't recommend the MR? I have really convinced myself that it was the best 40k car for what I want. I've been thinking about the WRX STi for some time, but the new models are not appealing to me at all and are a far cry compared to the previous generation.

It's def. not a family car and I just threw it as half-joke and to see any reaction to it. It's a rather successful rally car and even the stock version is rather impressive (without any tuning). I'm not a ricer or anything, but that car is fast, beautiful an handles like a champ. It's a poor(er) man's Nissan GTR. And now I read all this....
Sorry, but the Evo's build quality is just sub-par. It's a GREAT car. It's fast, corners on rails and is generally just sex to drive. However, it's like a girl that's into fisting -- Fun for a night, but you'd never want to marry her because things are just going to go from loose to looser.

A friend of mine has an Evo. Lightly modded, runs 10s. Great on that, but the interior is falling apart, and it's only 2 years old.
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:43 AM   #71
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Evos are really, really unreliable. DSMs always have been. I'd never buy one as anything except a toy.
I've found DSMs to actually be reliable, if they aren't modded. Evos are pretty neat, but I sure as hell won't use one as a daily driver.
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Old 05-12-2009, 07:34 AM   #72
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Not in any particular order but the following get great reviews and are quality american made automobiles
1. Ford Edge
2. Ford Fusion
3. Chevrolet Malibu

Then there are the imports: Acura, mercedes C class....both a little more expensive but you will have long after you pass 100k miles

my opinion anyway
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Old 05-12-2009, 07:35 AM   #73
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Go drive a new gm and then come talk 2 me.
I just did. What did you want to talk about?
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:05 AM   #74
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Truth. I have an '02 Acura that's never been in the shop for anything other than routine maintenance. That's not bad for a car that's 7 years old.
I drove an Acura Integra until it was 16 years old. Can't remember how many miles. The body started giving out towards the end but the engine had years left.
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:10 AM   #75
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