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Mile High Mania · 03:02 PM

Ok guys, I'll put a link to this in the main thread... maybe RM or someone can update the header to show this link.

I think there was interest in using a different thread to post full rosters and commentary, so that's what we can use this thread for ... no trade info or picks, just post your rosters as they are updated and any commentary that you care to provide.

Others are more than welcome to post their feedback (good, bad and ugly).

Have fun.

The MAIN DRAFTING THREAD IS --> http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204588

Mile High Mania · 07-20-2009, 04:58 PM

Youth can be over-rated, but not with this collection of phenoms in the making...

Crested Butte-Holes (26)

QB
Matt Schaub, QB (28)
Trent Edwards, QB (25)

The only true area with question marks and it's really dependent upon Schaub's ability to stay healthy, only starting in 11 games in each of the last 2 seasons. The offense has the weapons and Schaub has the talent to be on par with any QB you want to rank from #4-#10 overall in the NFL. Edwards is trending up and they've added TO at the right time for him, he's a solid backup.

WR/TE
Anquan Boldin, WR (28)
TJ Houshmandzadeh, WR (31)
Roy Williams, WR (27)
Greg Olsen, TE (24)

The production from this foursome is limitless... 3 top WRs in offenses that love to sling the football. Boldin = stud. TJ Housh is finally "the man" and is no longer hindered by OchoCinco and he'll have huge production. Williams has a lot to prove for the price they paid, but if you think Romo is going to be a top performer... Roy will have to be as well for Romo to do anything. And Olsen, solid young player and will leap in production with Cutler.

RB
Peyton Hillis, FB (23)
Brandon Jacobs, RB (27)
Kevin Smith, RB (22)
*(also includes Norwood, listed primarily as the KR)

Wonderful options here with two clear #1 RBs that will carry the rock 15-22 times a game. Jacobs is a stud, Smith has a wonderful outlook with a new offense and Stafford at QB in the near future. There will be a learning curve in the new offense, but there's little holding him back. Hillis at FB is solid and in the new offense, expect big things. Norwood is just a bonus right now - great dual threat as a backup to MT.

OL
Marcus McNeil, LT (25)
Robert Gallery, LG (28)
Olin Kreutz, C (32)
Chris Kuper, RG (26)

This is still a work in progress, but Kreutz is the anchor at C and the Guards are top notch. McNeil is young and recovering from an injury, but he's going to solid at LT for years.

ST
Mason Crosby, K (24)
Jerious Norwood*, KR/RB (25)

Two solid players - Crosby is a top 3-4 kicker already and Norwood racks up KR yards, he needs to add in scores this year and he'll be amazing.

Offense/ST Avg Age = 26.3 years

DL
Julius Peppers, DE/OLB (29)
Ray Edwards, LDE (24)
Kevin Williams, DT (28)
Darryl Tapp, RDE (24)

Peppers is the 'name' and a great one to have along with Williams plugging the middle. Add in Edwards and Tapp, and this is going to be an extremely formidable DL.

LB
Kirk Morrison, ILB (27)
Zach Diles, OLB/SLB (24)
Curtis Lofton, MLB (23)

Great value when I picked up Morrison late, he's a top 10 type of player with Diles and Lofton. Both of those guys are very young and not many know them by name, but look at their production - especially Diles. Diles missed half the season in 2008 and still finished #2 in tackles. Sure, there's an injury risk with him, but nothing more than an age risk is for an older guy and all reports have him well on track for 2009.

DB
Richard Marshall, CB (24)
Charles Tillman, CB (28)
Gibril Wilson, S (27)
Roman Harper, S (26)

I simply love the DBs - all are very proven at their positions and will be a great complement to the DL. Look at their numbers over the past 2 seasons and you'll fall in love with these players.

Again, it's ok to be jealous... I know it's a bitter pill to swallow by admitting the Butte-Holes are a team poised for greatness now and in the long-term. And, like I said... if the voters go on "names" and it becomes a popularity contest, then I don't expect to win... but that's ok. I know the truth.

But, if you disagree... certainly let me know, I'd love to understand where I'm wrong in juding this team's talent.

chiefscafan · 07-20-2009, 05:01 PM

Pest I'm not reffering to u it's doomy saying his d is way better I just don't see it

chiefscafan · 07-20-2009, 05:11 PM

I'm gonna agree with other mile I'm not sure bout if schaub can stay healthy a whole season. Although I like edwards seeing I originally drafted I feel u made a mistake tradding me cassel. Yep he could flop but what if he becomes a star in this league?

Overall I like how you have a complete team like I'm trying to do qb is weak and rb is sort of weak right now.

I like your recievers better than mine they all went. Before I could pick. While bryant, washington, and Keller have the big potential tag that may be all. Don't worry the D is almost complete with starters. I built this team to have a strong d unfortunately there may not be a lot of o lineman left. While my vet picks aren't plenty I have alot of flexibility with remainder draft and rookie picks. I still feel I can build the O.

Mile High Mania · 07-20-2009, 05:17 PM

Yeah - anything could happen with Cassel. And, I can't say the critics are wrong about Schaub which is why I *think* I was the first to grab a 2nd QB... I needed to have the insurance and going with youth and upside, Edwards fit the bill.

And, if Schaub can stay healthy... he has the ability to be a top 6-8 producer among all QBs with his weapons. I'll take that chance.

There isn't a great deal of difference overall for most of the teams... based on the rosters presented so far. There are a few glaring weaknesses with some teams, but they'll be addressed soon... while others have some great strengths.

But, there isn't one team that I look at and think "Good Gawd, what is he thinking..."

bdeg · 07-20-2009, 05:19 PM

My offense is still shaping up, but the D is nearing completion.
NT-Ngata
DE - Aaron Smith, Jay Ratliff, Glenn Dorsey
OLB - Woodley, Shaun Phillips, Anthony Spencer
ILB - Timmons, Thomas Davis
CB - Corey Webster, Carlos Rogers, Chris Houston
S - Kerry Rhodes
I can't imagine a better 3-4 DL, and I think Dorsey will be more than capable of filling Smith's shoes in a year or two.
I love my linebackers. While I'd like to have an elite speed rusher, I like that every single one of my guys is a great blitzer. Davis hasn't been given the chance to do it much in Carolina, but his coverage skills make up for his inexperience in that department.
Though it's a player short, I wouldn't trade secondaries with anyone.
Overall, young and under-rated sums them up pretty well.

chiefscafan · 07-20-2009, 05:32 PM

Bdeg that is a good d

I too like my secondary very underated flowers is a playmaker not my chief bias he really is and he'll show next year it wasn't a fluke. Merriweather is really good overshadowed by harrison but now he's the man back there. Dunta Robinson is one of the most underated cbs out there. Finally rolle was a hard choice but when cards put him at safety it took him a while to adjust but by the end of the season he was becoming a playmaker. As I've said before it's gonna be interesting.

**doomy3** · 07-20-2009, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

My offense is still shaping up, but the D is nearing completion.
NT-Ngata
DE - Aaron Smith, Jay Ratliff, Glenn Dorsey
OLB - Woodley, Shaun Phillips, Anthony Spencer
ILB - Timmons, Thomas Davis
CB - Corey Webster, Carlos Rogers, Chris Houston
S - Kerry Rhodes
I can't imagine a better 3-4 DL, and I think Dorsey will be more than capable of filling Smith's shoes in a year or two.
I love my linebackers. While I'd like to have an elite speed rusher, I like that every single one of my guys is a great blitzer. Davis hasn't been given the chance to do it much in Carolina, but his coverage skills make up for his inexperience in that department.
Though it's a player short, I wouldn't trade secondaries with anyone.
Overall, young and under-rated sums them up pretty well.

That is a really nice looking D.

**Rain Man** · 07-20-2009, 05:53 PM

I think a key to evaluations in a thread like this will be whether we're evaluating teams for the 2009 season or for the long term. The ratings will likely be different. We can evaluate for the long term for entertainment purposes, but the real key in my opinion is how the teams shape up in 2009, because that's how they'll be judged. If you're building for the future, you still have to rise to the top in some individual year, whether it's this year or 2011 or 2014.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-20-2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Dude....I'll go ahead and compare your defenses.

Defensive Line - The nod goes to Choo-Choos. Not only are his starters good....but he's got a ton of depth in pass rushers.

Linebackers - Honestly....I'll give the edge to the Cobras...only because he's got great LBs for a 3-4. But honestly dude.....you just grabbed the Ravens old LB corp...and added Harrison. Minus Suggs....you don't have too much youth. The Choo-Choos don't have a bunch of slackers either.

Defensive Backfield - Easily given to the Choo-Choos. Asomaugha (sp) and Gamble are two awesome starting CBs....and McKelvin is a great nickle (and kick/punt returner). Talib is a ballhawk at FS and Sanders is a punisher at SS. The Cobras have some great young safetys but your CBs are iffy. Flowers is good...but he has to prove it again and Robinson is good...but not great.

You were being extremely generous by giving him the edge at LB, IMO.

It's really not even close, and I'd be shocked to hear anyone else claim that his D is better than Doomy's.

Mile High Mania · 07-20-2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think a key to evaluations in a thread like this will be whether we're evaluating teams for the 2009 season or for the long term. The ratings will likely be different. We can evaluate for the long term for entertainment purposes, but the real key in my opinion is how the teams shape up in 2009, because that's how they'll be judged. If you're building for the future, you still have to rise to the top in some individual year, whether it's this year or 2011 or 2014.

I agree and my goal has been to compete for the title now and in the long run. I do have a number of players with a small book of work, 2-3 years... but I believe they're very proven. And, if people look at what they've done and how they compare, I think they'll see that as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's really not even close, and I'd be shocked to hear anyone else claim that his D is better than Doomy's.

I think his team is very good... I do think that my DEF is just as capable if not a bit better for 2009 and beyond. If you think I'm incredibly off base, I'm interested in your feedback.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-20-2009, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I agree and my goal has been to compete for the title now and in the long run. I do have a number of players with a small book of work, 2-3 years... but I believe they're very proven. And, if people look at what they've done and how they compare, I think they'll see that as well.

I think his team is very good... I do think that my DEF is just as capable if not a bit better for 2009 and beyond. If you think I'm incredibly off base, I'm interested in your feedback.

Not off base at all. And FWIW, when I said "his" I meant the Cobra's.

I prefer Doomy's defense to yours, but not by a wide margin.

You have a ton of long-term potential, and a very underrated LB corp. I'm not a fan of your DB's compared to his, and that makes up most of the difference I see between your defenses.

bdeg · 07-20-2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3

That is a really nice looking D.

Same to you, great value with those lb's. Can't believe they were had so late.

Mile High Mania · 07-20-2009, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Not off base at all. And FWIW, when I said "his" I meant the Cobra's.

I prefer Doomy's defense to yours, but not by a wide margin.

You have a ton of long-term potential, and a very underrated LB corp. I'm not a fan of your DB's compared to his, and that makes up most of the difference I see between your defenses.

That's cool... I think the one 'name' player is carrying him at this point and that will benefit him in the open polling, but we'll see.

**cdcox** · 07-20-2009, 06:32 PM

Feel free to bash my team, I didn't pick most of them.

Offense
Chad Pennington, QB
DeAngelo Williams, RB
Wes Welker, WR
Domenick Hixon, WR
Dallas Clark, TE
Jason Brown, C
Jon Stinchcomb, RT
Chris Williams, LT
Chester Pitts, G

Defense
Greg Ellis, DE
John Abraham, DE
Justin Smith, DE
Pat Sims, NT
Jonathan Vilma, LB
DJ Williams, OLB
Michael Griffin, S
Andre Goodman, CB
Will Allen, CB

**Buck** · 07-20-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

What?

WHAT?!?!

My quarterback threw for almost 4,600 yards last season, 30 TDs to only 14 Ints, made the pro bowl with a 96.9 QB rating, and would have thrown the winning TD in the Super Bowl with only two minutes left if another QB hadn't thrown another winning TD in the Super Bowl with only 30 seconds left.

Going forward, yeah, he's going to retire some day, but heading into the 2009 season the Super-Manatees have one of the top three QBs in the league. And 2009 is the only season that counts right now in Bradenton.

Oh, I'm and idiot.

I was expecting you to list your QB#1, so somehow I scanned over him when looking at your team.

07-19-2009, 02:56 PM
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3457229	Alternate Reality Game 3: Starting From Scratch (ROSTERS only) Ok guys, I'll put a link to this in the main thread... maybe RM or someone can update the header to show this link. I think there was interest in using a different thread to post full rosters and commentary, so that's what we can use this thread for ... no trade info or picks, just post your rosters as they are updated and any commentary that you care to provide. Others are more than welcome to post their feedback (good, bad and ugly). Have fun. The MAIN DRAFTING THREAD IS --> http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204588 Last edited by Mile High Mania; 07-19-2009 at 03:02 PM..
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07-20-2009, 04:58 PM	#61
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3457229	Youth can be over-rated, but not with this collection of phenoms in the making... Crested Butte-Holes (26) QB Matt Schaub, QB (28) Trent Edwards, QB (25) The only true area with question marks and it's really dependent upon Schaub's ability to stay healthy, only starting in 11 games in each of the last 2 seasons. The offense has the weapons and Schaub has the talent to be on par with any QB you want to rank from #4-#10 overall in the NFL. Edwards is trending up and they've added TO at the right time for him, he's a solid backup. WR/TE Anquan Boldin, WR (28) TJ Houshmandzadeh, WR (31) Roy Williams, WR (27) Greg Olsen, TE (24) The production from this foursome is limitless... 3 top WRs in offenses that love to sling the football. Boldin = stud. TJ Housh is finally "the man" and is no longer hindered by OchoCinco and he'll have huge production. Williams has a lot to prove for the price they paid, but if you think Romo is going to be a top performer... Roy will have to be as well for Romo to do anything. And Olsen, solid young player and will leap in production with Cutler. RB Peyton Hillis, FB (23) Brandon Jacobs, RB (27) Kevin Smith, RB (22) (also includes Norwood, listed primarily as the KR) Wonderful options here with two clear #1 RBs that will carry the rock 15-22 times a game. Jacobs is a stud, Smith has a wonderful outlook with a new offense and Stafford at QB in the near future. There will be a learning curve in the new offense, but there's little holding him back. Hillis at FB is solid and in the new offense, expect big things. Norwood is just a bonus right now - great dual threat as a backup to MT. OL Marcus McNeil, LT (25) Robert Gallery, LG (28) Olin Kreutz, C (32) Chris Kuper, RG (26) This is still a work in progress, but Kreutz is the anchor at C and the Guards are top notch. McNeil is young and recovering from an injury, but he's going to solid at LT for years. ST Mason Crosby, K (24) Jerious Norwood, KR/RB (25) Two solid players - Crosby is a top 3-4 kicker already and Norwood racks up KR yards, he needs to add in scores this year and he'll be amazing. Offense/ST Avg Age = 26.3 years DL Julius Peppers, DE/OLB (29) Ray Edwards, LDE (24) Kevin Williams, DT (28) Darryl Tapp, RDE (24) Peppers is the 'name' and a great one to have along with Williams plugging the middle. Add in Edwards and Tapp, and this is going to be an extremely formidable DL. LB Kirk Morrison, ILB (27) Zach Diles, OLB/SLB (24) Curtis Lofton, MLB (23) Great value when I picked up Morrison late, he's a top 10 type of player with Diles and Lofton. Both of those guys are very young and not many know them by name, but look at their production - especially Diles. Diles missed half the season in 2008 and still finished #2 in tackles. Sure, there's an injury risk with him, but nothing more than an age risk is for an older guy and all reports have him well on track for 2009. DB Richard Marshall, CB (24) Charles Tillman, CB (28) Gibril Wilson, S (27) Roman Harper, S (26) I simply love the DBs - all are very proven at their positions and will be a great complement to the DL. Look at their numbers over the past 2 seasons and you'll fall in love with these players. Again, it's ok to be jealous... I know it's a bitter pill to swallow by admitting the Butte-Holes are a team poised for greatness now and in the long-term. And, like I said... if the voters go on "names" and it becomes a popularity contest, then I don't expect to win... but that's ok. I know the truth. But, if you disagree... certainly let me know, I'd love to understand where I'm wrong in juding this team's talent. __________________
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07-20-2009, 05:01 PM	#62
chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	Pest I'm not reffering to u it's doomy saying his d is way better I just don't see it
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07-20-2009, 05:11 PM	#63
chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	I'm gonna agree with other mile I'm not sure bout if schaub can stay healthy a whole season. Although I like edwards seeing I originally drafted I feel u made a mistake tradding me cassel. Yep he could flop but what if he becomes a star in this league? Overall I like how you have a complete team like I'm trying to do qb is weak and rb is sort of weak right now. I like your recievers better than mine they all went. Before I could pick. While bryant, washington, and Keller have the big potential tag that may be all. Don't worry the D is almost complete with starters. I built this team to have a strong d unfortunately there may not be a lot of o lineman left. While my vet picks aren't plenty I have alot of flexibility with remainder draft and rookie picks. I still feel I can build the O.
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07-20-2009, 05:17 PM	#64
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3457229	Yeah - anything could happen with Cassel. And, I can't say the critics are wrong about Schaub which is why I think I was the first to grab a 2nd QB... I needed to have the insurance and going with youth and upside, Edwards fit the bill. And, if Schaub can stay healthy... he has the ability to be a top 6-8 producer among all QBs with his weapons. I'll take that chance. There isn't a great deal of difference overall for most of the teams... based on the rosters presented so far. There are a few glaring weaknesses with some teams, but they'll be addressed soon... while others have some great strengths. But, there isn't one team that I look at and think "Good Gawd, what is he thinking..." __________________
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07-20-2009, 05:19 PM	#65
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	My offense is still shaping up, but the D is nearing completion. NT-Ngata DE - Aaron Smith, Jay Ratliff, Glenn Dorsey OLB - Woodley, Shaun Phillips, Anthony Spencer ILB - Timmons, Thomas Davis CB - Corey Webster, Carlos Rogers, Chris Houston S - Kerry Rhodes I can't imagine a better 3-4 DL, and I think Dorsey will be more than capable of filling Smith's shoes in a year or two. I love my linebackers. While I'd like to have an elite speed rusher, I like that every single one of my guys is a great blitzer. Davis hasn't been given the chance to do it much in Carolina, but his coverage skills make up for his inexperience in that department. Though it's a player short, I wouldn't trade secondaries with anyone. Overall, young and under-rated sums them up pretty well. Last edited by bdeg; 07-20-2009 at 05:27 PM..
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07-20-2009, 05:32 PM	#66
chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	Bdeg that is a good d I too like my secondary very underated flowers is a playmaker not my chief bias he really is and he'll show next year it wasn't a fluke. Merriweather is really good overshadowed by harrison but now he's the man back there. Dunta Robinson is one of the most underated cbs out there. Finally rolle was a hard choice but when cards put him at safety it took him a while to adjust but by the end of the season he was becoming a playmaker. As I've said before it's gonna be interesting.
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07-20-2009, 05:53 PM	#68
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