KU More Mangino Madness - Page 5

**Lzen** · 12-02-2009, 09:37 AM

Wow, this is kind of hard to defend anymore. If this story is true, Mangino needs to go a.s.a.p.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/d...ment/?football

Ex-player accuses Mangino of mistreatment

By Dugan Arnett

Amid circulating rumors, there has still been no action taken with football coach Mark Mangino. An investigation into his conduct is still in progress.

Amid denials from Kansas University football coach Mark Mangino that he has physically and verbally abused players during his eight-year tenure in Lawrence, one former player has provided documentation of mistreatment he says he suffered under the coach.
Cory Kipp, a defensive lineman under Mangino in 2002 and ’03, told the Journal-World this week that he endured significant injuries to his hand as a result of a punishment carried out by the coach — a claim backed up by multiple former players, as well as photos taken shortly after the incident.
“It must have been the worst pain I’ve ever felt,” Kipp said.
Mangino, the subject of an internal university investigation into his treatment of players, could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
According to Kipp, who started all 13 games at nose tackle during the ’03 season, the incident transpired as follows:
At the beginning of an afternoon workout in August of ’03, Mangino told Kipp to see him after practice to undergo punishment for the player’s failure to weigh-in earlier that day.

Kipp figured the punishment would be running “cross-fields” — something he and another former player said was a typical penalty for such an infraction — but was instead told to “bear-crawl” across the AstroTurf field at Memorial Stadium on his hands and feet.
Kipp began the crawl and, after moving several yards, felt a burning sensation in his hands. On multiple occasions, Kipp said, he stopped to complain that the turf was burning his hands — according to a University of Arkansas report, artificial playing surfaces have been documented at up to 199 degrees in temperature — but was ordered by Mangino, who was walking alongside the crawling player, to keep going.
By the time Kipp had finished, the skin near the heel of his hand had been completely seared, and photos provided to the Journal-World depict blistering and a sizable area of missing skin.

As a result of the injury, Kipp said, he was forced to undergo extensive treatment on his hand by then-head football trainer Carol Jarosky throughout the next three weeks, and although he said at least two members of the coaching staff were aware of the injury, he was told to practice through it.
“It wasn’t like because my hand was burned, I took a couple days off,” Kipp said. “They made me practice.”
Each day for three weeks, he said, Jarosky — who did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment — would treat and wrap the hand before workouts, using multiple layers of padding. But in the days immediately following the injury, Kipp said, he would return to the locker room after practice with the padding soaked through in blood.
Asked to examine the photos for his opinion on the severity of the damage, Birmingham, Ala.-based dermatologist Conway Huang confirmed the injury was either frictional or heat-related.
If heat-related, Huang wrote in an e-mail to the Journal-World, it was consistent with second-degree burns.
Since allegations arose two weeks ago that Mangino had regularly verbally and physically abused players, however, the coach has contended that he has done nothing inappropriate in his running of the program.
During his weekly radio show Nov. 19, for instance, he lashed out at former players and parents who had spoken out against him, insisting their allegations were an attempt at “15 minutes of fame.” Asked following Saturday’s 41-39 season-ending loss to Missouri whether he’d be willing to tone down his approach if implored to do so by university administrators, meanwhile, he responded, “You’re coming with the assumption that it needs toned down. How I coach is how I coach. Ninety-nine percent of the kids here appreciate it.”
Three other players contacted by the Journal-World confirmed the incident, including Sid Bachmann, a defensive tackle on the ’02 and ’03 Kansas teams, and former fullback Austine Nwabuisi.
“The thing was, that day, it was so hot on the field,” Bachmann said. “... We were running cross-fields, and it was so hot that the bottom of my feet were burning. I could feel the bottom of my feet — through my socks and my cleats, they were burning.”
Despite the severity of the incident, Kipp said an apology — or any sign of remorse on the part of Mangino — would have been enough to move on without any hard feelings.
“If he said that he was sorry, and he didn’t realize (the turf) was that hot, then I would have accepted his apology and that would have been that,” Kipp said. “But I never got that.”
What’s more, during a team meeting later that season, Kipp says Mangino brought the incident up in front of coaches and players — a story confirmed by Bachmann.
After pointing out a tackle that Kipp had missed during the previous week’s game, Mangino allegedly threatened to burn the player’s other hand if he ever missed a tackle again.
“I looked at some of the assistant coaches when (Mangino) said that, and they just had their heads down,” Bachmann said. “Our (defensive line) coach had his head down and he was just shaking his head.”
At the urging of his roommate, meanwhile, Kipp took photos of the damage following the incident and strongly considered approaching athletic director Lew Perkins before deciding against it due to fear of retribution — namely, worries over a potential decrease in playing time or the revocation of his scholarship.
Kipp, who now lives in California, said he was prompted to come forward after hearing Mangino’s denials of earlier allegations involving his mistreatment of players.
“I’m doing this,” Kipp said, “because I’ve got proof how horrible a coach he is.”

WilliamTheIrish · 12-02-2009, 09:09 PM

So he got blisters on his palms? Hawkchief has those from masturbating.

The reality is this kid had some blisters. He wasn't hurt, wasn't in any danger and ... and He had to practice with wrapped hands? [angst]... the horror. And his hands had blisters that broke open?

I'm surprised nobody called the Mayo Clinic. Lew must be desperate. If that's the university's case against Mangino, then you might as well pay him the 6 mil right now.

WilliamTheIrish · 12-02-2009, 10:09 PM

According to channel 9 sports there are parents ready to file a class action law suit if Mangino isn't canned.

Hilarious.

Titty Meat · 12-02-2009, 10:10 PM

I thought the player got 2nd degree burns?

chiefzilla1501 · 12-02-2009, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kstater

Heh, Mangino wanted his players to make weight.

WilliamTheIrish · 12-02-2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay

I thought the player got 2nd degree burns?

Billay,

2nd degree burns are like what you get if you keep hands over an open flame a few seconds too long. It's minor. His hands blistered over and then the blisters broke open during practice.

It's minor and requires little medical intervention. That doesn't mean it didn't hurt. Probably very painful. But it's not like Mangino dipped the kids hands in scalding hot water for minutes at a time.

Titty Meat · 12-02-2009, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Billay,

2nd degree burns are like what you get if you keep hands over an open flame a few seconds too long. It's minor. His hands blistered over and then the blisters broke open during practice.

It's minor and requires little medical intervention. That doesn't mean it didn't hurt. Probably very painful. But it's not like Mangino dipped the kids hands in scalding hot water for minutes at a time.

Its hard to see in this day where the states money would be allowed to go to something like this.

Reerun_KC · 12-02-2009, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

According to channel 9 sports there are parents ready to file a class action law suit if Mangino isn't canned.

Hilarious.

pussification of KU football continues...

Braincase · 12-02-2009, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

pussification of KU football continues...

This keeps up, just close the damn stadium and just have a soccer team, and don't keep score.

WilliamTheIrish · 12-02-2009, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay

Its hard to see in this day where the states money would be allowed to go to something like this.

I'd bet that there are stories very similar all over the nation. We live in such a litigious society it will probably start a "process improvement" task force mandate by the NCAA to give players a chance to sound off against program.

Reerun_KC · 12-02-2009, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braincase

This keeps up, just close the damn stadium and just have a soccer team, and don't keep score.

Yep, no coach in their right mind would want to come to KU when the players can dictate with the whining...

Braincase · 12-02-2009, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Yep, no coach in their right mind would want to come to KU when the players can dictate with the whining...

Depends. How do you think they got Roy at NC?

Brock · 12-02-2009, 10:32 PM

I guess my reaction to this is "So what".

Reerun_KC · 12-02-2009, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braincase

Depends. How do you think they got Roy at NC?

Fair enough... Remember it very vividly....

Maybe we will whine enough to get Urban Meyer...

Braincase · 12-02-2009, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Fair enough... Remember it very vividly....

Maybe we will whine enough to get Urban Meyer...

Mmmmmm, I'm going to go with no on that one. I'm just hoping for competent, good recruiter than can get us competitive. I'm getting tired of the circus.

WilliamTheIrish · 12-02-2009, 10:39 PM

It's waaaaay overblown. Admittedly, I love the bad press and was hoping KU would squeak out the win over MU in order to keep the circus alive for another 12 months.

12-02-2009, 09:37 AM
Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-539308	More Mangino Madness Wow, this is kind of hard to defend anymore. If this story is true, Mangino needs to go a.s.a.p. http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/d...ment/?football Ex-player accuses Mangino of mistreatment By Dugan Arnett Amid circulating rumors, there has still been no action taken with football coach Mark Mangino. An investigation into his conduct is still in progress. Amid denials from Kansas University football coach Mark Mangino that he has physically and verbally abused players during his eight-year tenure in Lawrence, one former player has provided documentation of mistreatment he says he suffered under the coach. Cory Kipp, a defensive lineman under Mangino in 2002 and ’03, told the Journal-World this week that he endured significant injuries to his hand as a result of a punishment carried out by the coach — a claim backed up by multiple former players, as well as photos taken shortly after the incident. “It must have been the worst pain I’ve ever felt,” Kipp said. Mangino, the subject of an internal university investigation into his treatment of players, could not be reached for comment Tuesday. According to Kipp, who started all 13 games at nose tackle during the ’03 season, the incident transpired as follows: At the beginning of an afternoon workout in August of ’03, Mangino told Kipp to see him after practice to undergo punishment for the player’s failure to weigh-in earlier that day. Kipp figured the punishment would be running “cross-fields” — something he and another former player said was a typical penalty for such an infraction — but was instead told to “bear-crawl” across the AstroTurf field at Memorial Stadium on his hands and feet. Kipp began the crawl and, after moving several yards, felt a burning sensation in his hands. On multiple occasions, Kipp said, he stopped to complain that the turf was burning his hands — according to a University of Arkansas report, artificial playing surfaces have been documented at up to 199 degrees in temperature — but was ordered by Mangino, who was walking alongside the crawling player, to keep going. By the time Kipp had finished, the skin near the heel of his hand had been completely seared, and photos provided to the Journal-World depict blistering and a sizable area of missing skin. As a result of the injury, Kipp said, he was forced to undergo extensive treatment on his hand by then-head football trainer Carol Jarosky throughout the next three weeks, and although he said at least two members of the coaching staff were aware of the injury, he was told to practice through it. “It wasn’t like because my hand was burned, I took a couple days off,” Kipp said. “They made me practice.” Each day for three weeks, he said, Jarosky — who did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment — would treat and wrap the hand before workouts, using multiple layers of padding. But in the days immediately following the injury, Kipp said, he would return to the locker room after practice with the padding soaked through in blood. Asked to examine the photos for his opinion on the severity of the damage, Birmingham, Ala.-based dermatologist Conway Huang confirmed the injury was either frictional or heat-related. If heat-related, Huang wrote in an e-mail to the Journal-World, it was consistent with second-degree burns. Since allegations arose two weeks ago that Mangino had regularly verbally and physically abused players, however, the coach has contended that he has done nothing inappropriate in his running of the program. During his weekly radio show Nov. 19, for instance, he lashed out at former players and parents who had spoken out against him, insisting their allegations were an attempt at “15 minutes of fame.” Asked following Saturday’s 41-39 season-ending loss to Missouri whether he’d be willing to tone down his approach if implored to do so by university administrators, meanwhile, he responded, “You’re coming with the assumption that it needs toned down. How I coach is how I coach. Ninety-nine percent of the kids here appreciate it.” Three other players contacted by the Journal-World confirmed the incident, including Sid Bachmann, a defensive tackle on the ’02 and ’03 Kansas teams, and former fullback Austine Nwabuisi. “The thing was, that day, it was so hot on the field,” Bachmann said. “... We were running cross-fields, and it was so hot that the bottom of my feet were burning. I could feel the bottom of my feet — through my socks and my cleats, they were burning.” Despite the severity of the incident, Kipp said an apology — or any sign of remorse on the part of Mangino — would have been enough to move on without any hard feelings. “If he said that he was sorry, and he didn’t realize (the turf) was that hot, then I would have accepted his apology and that would have been that,” Kipp said. “But I never got that.” What’s more, during a team meeting later that season, Kipp says Mangino brought the incident up in front of coaches and players — a story confirmed by Bachmann. After pointing out a tackle that Kipp had missed during the previous week’s game, Mangino allegedly threatened to burn the player’s other hand if he ever missed a tackle again. “I looked at some of the assistant coaches when (Mangino) said that, and they just had their heads down,” Bachmann said. “Our (defensive line) coach had his head down and he was just shaking his head.” At the urging of his roommate, meanwhile, Kipp took photos of the damage following the incident and strongly considered approaching athletic director Lew Perkins before deciding against it due to fear of retribution — namely, worries over a potential decrease in playing time or the revocation of his scholarship. Kipp, who now lives in California, said he was prompted to come forward after hearing Mangino’s denials of earlier allegations involving his mistreatment of players. “I’m doing this,” Kipp said, “because I’ve got proof how horrible a coach he is.”
Posts: 42,461

12-02-2009, 09:09 PM	#61
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $2620607	So he got blisters on his palms? Hawkchief has those from masturbating. The reality is this kid had some blisters. He wasn't hurt, wasn't in any danger and ... and He had to practice with wrapped hands? [angst]... the horror. And his hands had blisters that broke open? I'm surprised nobody called the Mayo Clinic. Lew must be desperate. If that's the university's case against Mangino, then you might as well pay him the 6 mil right now.
Posts: 35,754

12-02-2009, 10:09 PM	#62
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $2620607	According to channel 9 sports there are parents ready to file a class action law suit if Mangino isn't canned. Hilarious.
Posts: 35,754

12-02-2009, 10:10 PM	#63
Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-1012442	I thought the player got 2nd degree burns?
Posts: 78,091

12-02-2009, 10:32 PM	#72
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	I guess my reaction to this is "So what".
Posts: 47,314

12-02-2009, 10:39 PM	#75
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $2620607	It's waaaaay overblown. Admittedly, I love the bad press and was hoping KU would squeak out the win over MU in order to keep the circus alive for another 12 months.
Posts: 35,754