Chiefs Fixing The Passing Game - Page 5

FAX · 09-22-2010, 12:41 PM

Obviously, we have issues in this area. Our quarterback is a sluggish dolt with no talent and a giant chin. Our receivers are (by many accounts) unable to separate from their respective defenders. Our play caller seems to be intent on perfecting the 4 yard incompletion. And, apparently, hitting McCluster in the flat is a play designed to make McCluster flat.

So, how do we fix the problem? Cassel isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so replacing the quarterback seems to be out of the question, our TE is going to find himself triple covered in upcoming games, and we don't have Sippio anymore.

I know that ChiefsPlanet can do this ... what is necessary to get a damn passing game established?

FAX

Disclaimers: Sorry if repost. Sorry if incomplete post.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-22-2010, 02:28 PM

Sub Cassel for a Juggs Machine in a wheel barrow operated by Jones while sending 4 out deep.

Problem...
Solved.

boogblaster · 09-22-2010, 03:10 PM

simple crossing routes .. its all he can throw .. stack .. clear out the middle .. slip the back out .. throw the 7 yard bomb ....

**RealSNR** · 09-22-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

When you have a QB that can't throw deep or intermediate routes, you have to rely on short passes. Unfortunately, when you do this, it causes the defense to cheat up, thus negating his only non-horrible area of accuracy.

You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you run more, you'll just see 8 and 9 man fronts, making it nigh impossible to run. If you try PA, the QB isn't accurate enough to connect, thus meaning you'll still face those same fronts.

We lack the deep threat to cause the safeties to hang back, and even if we had one, said QB still couldn't hit him (see: Moss, Randy).

The defense doesn't have to blitz to get pressure, so the screen game isn't going to be particularly dominating, especially with so many defenders close to the LOS.

You can't fix the passing game unless you get a QB who can stretch the field vertically with the intermediate and deep ball, and we don't have an OL that is so overpowering that it can work against a 9 man front, nor should we really concern ourselves with getting one, as it would be far better to simply invest in a QB worth a damn.

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

How about the lord and savior Brodie Croyle?

His 0-9 track record speaks for itself...

Record or not, Reerun, the guy you mentioned is the best man on the roster to do what Hamas is talking about.

**Rausch** · 09-22-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Record or not, Reerun, the guy you mentioned is the best man on the roster to do what Hamas is talking about.

/story...

Mr. Laz · 09-22-2010, 03:57 PM

1. put in Brodie until he breaks ... at least we would see if the offense improves or not

2. got to open it up whether we have the talent or not. If the defense doesn't fear a deep pass then it clogs everything else up.

3. Cassel seems to like the hurry-up offense the most so do it most of the game.

4. crossing routes,crossing routes crossing routes ...... if you can't go deep you have to pick the hell out of the defenders and create some confusion.

5. screen passes .. we don't use nearly enough of them and don't have a wide enough variety. The Oline must practice selling the screens to help them work

6. Charles in the passing game see #5

**BossChief** · 09-22-2010, 04:29 PM

Here is a post of mine from a couple days ago...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Matt Cassel is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about (except on CP, we love it)

You know what we should do to help Cassel?

Do exactly what Chan Gailey did with Thigpen and "red ball" when he designed about 30 or so plays to run for long stretches worth of no huddle. Every player had the list of plays on their arm and the playcall was made by number.

Cassel plays the best when we are in the no huddle and I think this could be a way of helping him "not think so much" and get back to just playing football.

We have the type of guys on offense to make it work because of their versatility. JMO

Honestly, I think it could help.

googlegoogle · 09-22-2010, 04:49 PM

Wide receivers needed.

Hug it Out Dan · 09-22-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

1. put in Brodie until he breaks ... at least we would see if the offense improves or not

2. got to open it up whether we have the talent or not. If the defense doesn't fear a deep pass then it clogs everything else up.

3. Cassel seems to like the hurry-up offense the most so do it most of the game.

4. crossing routes,crossing routes crossing routes ...... if you can't go deep you have to pick the hell out of the defenders and create some confusion.

5. screen passes .. we don't use nearly enough of them and don't have a wide enough variety. The Oline must practice selling the screens to help them work

6. Charles in the passing game see #5

this times eleventy billion.

**MahiMike** · 09-22-2010, 04:58 PM

I dunno. I re-watched the game yesterday and saw some pretty good passes coming from Cassel. He had plenty of zip and threaded the needle a couple times. On many of the incompletions, the receiver just wasn't open. He had 2 especially good throws to Chambers and Bowe. Why all the fuss?

**Rausch** · 09-22-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Here is a post of mine from a couple days ago...

Unfortunately we fired the inventive guy that made marginal-at-best talents look productive.

Three7s · 09-22-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

I dunno. I re-watched the game yesterday and saw some pretty good passes coming from Cassel. He had plenty of zip and threaded the needle a couple times. On many of the incompletions, the receiver just wasn't open. He had 2 especially good throws to Chambers and Bowe. Why all the fuss?

Because Cassel does that all the time. He never plays a complete game and misses wide open receivers all the time, thanks to not going through his progressions.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-22-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by googlegoogle

Quarterback needed.

Yep, couldn't agree more.

**BossChief** · 09-22-2010, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

Unfortunately we fired the inventive guy that made marginal-at-best talents look productive.

I dont buy that.

Weis did exactly that pretty much everywhere he has been.

He is still learning these players and their strengths at this time and i think the more this season roles on, the more we will see us implement more and more no huddle and more specifically play action passes. Sucks to be actually behind where we were with Thigpen and his plate of chicken salad.

Marcellus · 09-22-2010, 05:26 PM

I know I am going to get killed for this but I think the loss of TG is understated on the effect it has had on Bowe's production and our current problems.

Bowe had good years playing with crappy QB's and TG taking all of the attention in the middle of the field.

TG is also the type of middle of the field intermediate threat that would open other options underneath and on the edges and he was dynamic enough he could catch Croyle's crappy passes to keep them honest.

Not saying that is HOW you want to ideally build an offense so don't give me all the TE is overrated BS, just saying TG did help get others open.

Hopefully Moaeki can develop into 75% of that.

Marcellus · 09-22-2010, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

Unfortunately we fired the inventive guy that made marginal-at-best talents look productive.

You mean the guy who is a failure and is 0-2 in Buffalo? Who has a worse pass offense than KC?

At least he is willing to change QB's.

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Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $2572662	I know I am going to get killed for this but I think the loss of TG is understated on the effect it has had on Bowe's production and our current problems. Bowe had good years playing with crappy QB's and TG taking all of the attention in the middle of the field. TG is also the type of middle of the field intermediate threat that would open other options underneath and on the edges and he was dynamic enough he could catch Croyle's crappy passes to keep them honest. Not saying that is HOW you want to ideally build an offense so don't give me all the TE is overrated BS, just saying TG did help get others open. Hopefully Moaeki can develop into 75% of that.
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