Lack Of Record Breaking Offense And 16-0 Team Around Him Hurting Cassel And Chiefs

[BossChief]

I had to go there.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

This is his second season...We are coming off of the worst 3 year stretch in Chiefs history...

Did you expect us to be 5-3 right now?

With this schedule and a QB that was even average your record would be better. Cassell is a bottom 1/3 NFL QB.
As a rival fan I hope Cassell is wearing red and gold for the nest 10 years.

[jd1020]

The failure in play calling directly reflects to the Chiefs lack of confidence in Cassel to make the throw and his decision making. This loss wouldnt have hurt as bad if Cassel tried to thread a pass through to Bowe and it was intercepted. Atleast that throw would have stood a chance in making the first down.

Hopefully Weis opens Pioli's eyes.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by vailpass

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As a rival fan I hope Cassell is wearing red and gold for the nest 10 years.

That is about all you need to know about Cassel right there.

[salame]

guys
we lost
we should be used to it by now
k?

[ForeverChiefs58]

Originally Posted by vailpass

With this schedule and a QB that was even average your record would be better. Cassell is a bottom 1/3 NFL QB.
As a rival fan I hope Cassell is wearing red and gold for the nest 10 years.

Yeah I have a good friend who is a 49er fan and he calls our QB an Alex Smith clone. Btw, that is not a compliment.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

Yeah I have a good friend who is a 49er fan and he calls our QB an Alex Smith clone. Btw, that is not a compliment.

Well thanks for clarifying.
We'd have never known otherwise.

Actually though, your friend is wrong.
An Alex Smith Clone would be an improvement for us.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Seriously. He has inside position.
If he throws that ball before Bowe makes his break inside, it's indefensible.

Not that cut and dry. If you look at the clip, there is no passing window so Cassel's only option is to lob it in to Bowe and there is a MLB that is watching Cassel's eyes ready to take away the pass to Bowe. Cassel may have had a chance to throw it over the top of that LB, but I can guarantee you that deep Safety was completely fixed on Bowe.

And again, given the way this play was blocked, it was a quick pass play.

This play doesn't look like it was on Cassel. It's on the receivers and Weis.

[KCBOSS1]

The fact that we are still having this conversation about Cassel is telling enough. I agree with the thread starter. We gotta go after a starter and move Cassel to be the (overpaid) 3rd string quarterback, clipboard holder than he was meant to be in the NFL.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

The fact that we are still having this conversation about Cassel is telling enough. I agree with the thread starter. We gotta go after a starter and move Cassel to be the (overpaid) 3rd string quarterback, clipboard holder than he was meant to be in the NFL.

I don't think Cassel is any kind of an answer. But I think if you're going to criticize him, he should be criticized for something he actually did wrong. And this thread shows that some people are going to find wrong in Cassel, even when he doesn't do anything wrong.

He's made a lot of mistakes. The Overtime play and the end of regulation play are not among them.

[KCBOSS1]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think Cassel is any kind of an answer. But I think if you're going to criticize him, he should be criticized for something he actually did wrong. And this thread shows that some people are going to find wrong in Cassel, even when he doesn't do anything wrong.

He's made a lot of mistakes. The Overtime play and the end of regulation play are not among them.

I agree with that. I haven't been a Cassel supporter, but he has played better at some points than I thought he was capable. I've really been trying to be as complimentary as I know how. But my best compliment has been, "He wasn't completely terrible today".

I was so frustrated when I'd heard that they gave him a long, huge contract during his first training camp. I felt like we were going to be stuck with a contract with someone that wasn't proven. We had him for the tryout year. Even to watch him for half of a year before giving him a contract would have been good. Baaaahhhh. That which we feared has come upon us. Soapbox... I just can't get off of it.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He's made a lot of mistakes. The Overtime play and the end of regulation play are not among them.

Huh? Throwing to someone thats on the line of scrimmage, blanketed by a defender, when you need 3 yards is a HUGE mistake. Cassel was looking directly at Bowe when he made his cut inside. There was plenty of room to rifle one in there and Bowe's momentum alone would have made the first down if only by inches. But he decided it best to check it down to someone with no chance of making a first down.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

I agree with that. I haven't been a Cassel supporter, but he has played better at some points than I thought he was capable. I've really been trying to be as complimentary as I know how. But my best compliment has been, "He wasn't completely terrible today".

I was so frustrated when I'd heard that they gave him a long, huge contract during his first training camp. I felt like we were going to be stuck with a contract with someone that wasn't proven. We had him for the tryout year. Even to watch him for half of a year before giving him a contract would have been good. Baaaahhhh. That which we feared has come upon us. Soapbox... I just can't get off of it.

He wasn't completely terrible on Sunday, and the fact is, he made enough plays in regulation for the Chiefs to win that game, but the team around him let him down.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Huh? Throwing to someone thats on the line of scrimmage, blanketed by a defender, when you need 3 yards is a HUGE mistake. Cassel was looking directly at Bowe when he made his cut inside. There was plenty of room to rifle one in there and Bowe's momentum alone would have made the first down if only by inches. But he decided it best to check it down to someone with no chance of making a first down.

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Branden Albert cut his man down. That means that the play is supposed to be a quick shot. Cassel's first read is Moeaki. Covered. Cassel's second read is Pope and I believe Pope can get a first down if he plays the ball right. The whole bullshit about Bowe is complete conjecture. You have a LB that is spying him to take away the short throw and a deep Safety (not on screen) to take away the deep pass.

Cassel's options were to throw it to a blanketed receiver, take a sack, or throw it to a mildly open receiver before the chains and see if he can position for a first down after the catch. I still believe a more skilled receiver makes that catch and good chance he gets a first down.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think Cassel is any kind of an answer. But I think if you're going to criticize him, he should be criticized for something he actually did wrong. And this thread shows that some people are going to find wrong in Cassel, even when he doesn't do anything wrong.

He's made a lot of mistakes. The Overtime play and the end of regulation play are not among them.

I have been overly complimentary of Cassel when he has deserved it. I have said over and over that he made enough plays to be labeled as the hero of the game if Bowe catches that first down pass.

The plays you are trying to paint as good decisions arent examples I am going to give him an ounce of credit for.

I dont even really care that there's a safety back there at all. YOU HAVE TO TRY TO COMPLETE A PASS THAT RESULTS IN A FIRST DOWN, NOT TWO YARDS SHORT.

A good NFL quarterback (something we hope he can be, one day) gets us a first down in that scenario, or at least tries to do so.

The trouble is that play is truly a microcosm of his time here. We need 4 yards? he is totally ok with taking the 2 yard dumpoff with no chance at YAC to pick up the first down. We need 10 yards on third down? He throws a pass for 7 yards at the feet of a receiver.

So far, that is the biggest thing that pisses some of us off.

When we NEED him, he isn't there for us.

Originally Posted by milkman

He wasn't completely terrible on Sunday, and the fact is, he made enough plays in regulation for the Chiefs to win that game, but the team around him let him down.

Agreed.

The passes to Bowe should have been enough to get us the win.

Hopefully, he continues to show progress...in another year, he may even be a competent game manager.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I have been overly complimentary of Cassel when he has deserved it. I have said over and over that he made enough plays to be labeled as the hero of the game if Bowe catches that first down pass.

The plays you are trying to paint as good decisions arent examples I am going to give him an ounce of credit for.

I dont even really care that there's a safety back there at all. YOU HAVE TO TRY TO COMPLETE A PASS THAT RESULTS IN A FIRST DOWN, NOT TWO YARDS SHORT.

A good NFL quarterback (something we hope he can be, one day) gets us a first down in that scenario, or at least tries to do so.

The trouble is that play is truly a microcosm of his time here. We need 4 yards? he is totally ok with taking the 2 yard dumpoff with no chance at YAC to pick up the first down. We need 10 yards on third down? He throws a pass for 7 yards at the feet of a receiver.

So far, that is the biggest thing that pisses some of us off.

When we NEED him, he isn't there for us.


Agreed.

The passes to Bowe should have been enough to get us the win.

Hopefully, he continues to show progress...in another year, he may even be a competent game manager.

If you want to argue the point that the playcall was dialed up because Weis had no trust in Cassel's arm to throw it deep, understandable. But the flaw is in the playcall, not in Cassel's decision. I'm not giving credit for the decision. I'm just saying that the play looks like it was designed to be out of his hands quickly, and that means that he only really had two reads: Moeaki and Pope.

I still believe that if Pope comes to the ball, there is a shitload of real estate on his left to get a first down. I think he was either expecting it to go to his outside shoulder or he just reacted poorly to it. When I look at how out of position Wimbley is, my reaction is really "****, Pope found the one way to catch that ball that would allow Wimbley to make a good play."