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Old 11-14-2010, 06:31 PM  
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Ok, lets hear it from the Matt Cassel nutthuggers!

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Old 11-14-2010, 07:03 PM   #61
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This is the first loss where you can't really look at Cassel and make a strong argument that it was mainly his fault.
That said, when it mattered, there he was overthrowing 4-yard patterns, holding the ball, and playing like we've all gotten used to.

Sadly, he put up monster stats after the game was over, so his first half putting us behind the 8-ball will be forgotten. Cause, you know, he just needs more time before we can judge him.
He played like ass during the 1st half, but the D was worse.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:05 PM   #62
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He played like ass during the 1st half, but the D was worse.
You are absolutely correct.
That doesn't absolve him from criticism, though.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:06 PM   #63
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Defense cost today period.

Bottom line.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:06 PM   #64
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33/53 469 yards 4 TD's 0 INT's.Enjoy.
You quote this like it's a good thing.

He had 53 passes today, that's not a good thing, not his fault, but not a good thing. A lot of those yards are YAC, that had nothing to do with him. You also forgot the 4 sacks + fumbles for 6pts that are all his fault. Manipulate the stats the way you want. Game tape tells the truth, and he blew it yet again today.

However, the D was atrocious, and they are all at fault today. I'm beggining to believe that Carr is a serious weak link in the D. Teams pick on him and he gets burnt constantly.

Letting your opponent score on the first 4 possesions is a strong case to be pink slipped in the offseason. Absolutely horrible display today.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:07 PM   #65
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You quote this like it's a good thing.

He had 53 passes today, that's not a good thing, not his fault, but not a good thing. A lot of those yards are YAC, that had nothing to do with him. You also forgot the 4 sacks + fumbles for 6pts that are all his fault. Manipulate the stats the way you want. Game tape tells the truth, and he blew it yet again today.

However, the D was atrocious, and they are all at fault today. I'm beggining to believe that Carr is a serious weak link in the D. Teams pick on him and he gets burnt constantly.

Letting your opponent score on the first 4 possesions is a strong case to be pink slipped in the offseason. Absolutely horrible display today.
See post #46.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:08 PM   #66
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Not deflecting at all. He was complete ass in the 1st half. He contributed to this shellacking.
He contributed about as much as Tonga contributed to the invasion of Iraq.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:08 PM   #67
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You are absolutely correct.
That doesn't absolve him from criticism, though.
No it doesn't but to make him the scapegoat is being blind.

The o-line couldn't run block or pass block, the d-line couldn't stop the run or get pressure on the pass.

That was the issue.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:09 PM   #68
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You quote this like it's a good thing.

He had 53 passes today, that's not a good thing, not his fault, but not a good thing. A lot of those yards are YAC, that had nothing to do with him. You also forgot the 4 sacks + fumbles for 6pts that are all his fault. Manipulate the stats the way you want. Game tape tells the truth, and he blew it yet again today.

However, the D was atrocious, and they are all at fault today. I'm beggining to believe that Carr is a serious weak link in the D. Teams pick on him and he gets burnt constantly.

Letting your opponent score on the first 4 possesions is a strong case to be pink slipped in the offseason. Absolutely horrible display today.

This is one of the biggest lines of bullshit on this board.

YAC is a huge part of every QB's statline. Peyton Manning regularly gets good YAC from Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Garcon, etc. Rodgers gets great YAC from Jennings, Driver, Finley.

If we weren't getting YAC, this board would be screaming that Cassel isn't putting the ball in places where his receivers could run after the catch. Kind of like last year, when the board was claiming that the drops were Cassel's fault because of the "kind of ball he throws."
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:10 PM   #69
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See post #46.
Fair enough.

Didn't see that the first time through.
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No it doesn't but to make him the scapegoat is being blind.

The o-line couldn't run block or pass block, the d-line couldn't stop the run or get pressure on the pass.

That was the issue.
If you see me making him the scapegoat for this particular loss, let me know.
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Denver's D is AWFUL. He's incapable of keeping up.

He cant hold Orton's jock.
Orton put 3 passes right in the hands of Chiefs defenders today.
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Old 11-14-2010, 07:12 PM   #72
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No it doesn't but to make him the scapegoat is being blind.

The o-line couldn't run block or pass block, the d-line couldn't stop the run or get pressure on the pass.

That was the issue.
Nobody's calling him a scapegoat. But don't give me that bullshit excuse that this is in any way on the o-line. The Chiefs couldn't run block because, like last game, defenses are daring the Chiefs to throw the ball and they can't. And the pass blocking sucked today because unlike early in the season, when Cassel was getting rid of the ball pretty quickly, he was locking onto his primary receiver and holding onto the ball way too long.

The Chiefs lost because of the defense. But even if the defense played very well today, based on what I saw from Cassel in the first 4 drives, it was close to the worst I've seen him all season.
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I didn't see one area in which we performed particularly well ... with the possible exception of Bowe who looked like he kept bringing it. Of course, I'm watching a stream, so I may have missed some stuff. The goats looked faster, stronger, and better in every phase.

I wish, though, that DJ would catch some of those interception things.

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Fair enough.

Didn't see that the first time through.
I simply wanted his stats to be out there so it was an even argument all the way around.Even as much as I hate him,I expect both sides to be heard.
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Where was he when the D was sucking and giving up 28 points?
He was watching the real goats of the game from the sideline just like Jamaal Charles and Tony Moeaki were.
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