Chiefs Yahoo.com Draft Grades - Page 5

**BigMeatballDave** · 11:12 AM

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Denver Broncos
Picks: LB Von Miller, S Rahim Moore, OT Orlando Franklin, LB Nate Irving, S Quinton Carter, TE Julius Thomas, LB Mike Mohamed, TE Virgil Green, DL Jeremy Beal.
Grade: B
Analysis: A good rule of thumb in the NFL (and pretty much in just about any sport) is take the bigger guy first. The Broncos went against that theory by selecting Miller over Dareus. That said, Miller is the kind of disruptive, pass-rushing force who could be a perennial Pro Bowler. He is explosive and has a great personality, ingredients for becoming a great player and leader. The rest of the draft was very wise. In particular, getting Moore to rejuvenate an ancient secondary was critical (plus backing up that pick with Carter in the fourth round). Throw in the selections of Franklin and Irving and you have a draft that could easily feature four or five starters. That’s exactly what the Broncos had to get in this draft.

Kansas City Chiefs
Picks: WR Jonathan Baldwin, C Rodney Hudson, LB Justin Houston(notes), DE Allen Bailey(notes), CB Jalil Brown, QB Ricky Stanzi, LB Gabe Miller, DT Jerrell Powe, FB Shane Bannon.
Grade: B-
Analysis: The Chiefs moved back six spots in the first round and still got an offensive weapon who may start right away in Baldwin. The 6-foot-5 Baldwin is a beast and gives the team a great complement to Dwayne Bowe. However, like Bowe, Baldwin can be a bit of a head case. For instance, he had the gall to complain that the Pitt coaching staff was not throwing to him very much because they wanted to hurt his draft stock. Second-rounder Hudson should start this year or next depending on what happens with Casey Wiegmann. Third-round picks OLB Justin Houston and DE Allen Bailey could easily become starters as rookies. Neither figures to ever be great, but both should be solid starters.

Oakland Raiders
Picks: C Stefen Wisniewski, CB Demarcus Van Dyke , OL Joseph Barksdale, CB Chimdi Chekwa, RB Taiwan Jones, WR Denarius Moore, TE Richard Gordon, WR David Ausberry .
Grade: B+
Analysis: The Raiders get credit for getting DL Richard Seymour two seasons ago with the first-round pick they gave up from this year. Seymour has turned out to be a fine acquisition, even if he’s getting long in the tooth. Starting there, this draft simply reeks of Raiderdom, starting with the selection of Wisniewski in the second round. The latest Wiz will not only play for his uncle, former Raider great Steve Wisniewski, but will probably start from Day 1 because starter Samson Satele just wasn’t that good the past two years. From there, the Raiders basically drafted a 4 x 100 relay team with Van Dyke, Chekwa, Jones and Moore. The Raiders are nothing if not consistent.

San Diego Chargers
Picks: DT Corey Liuget, CB Marcus Gilchrist, LB Jonas Mouton, WR Vincent Brown, CB Shareece Wright, RB Jordan Todman, OL Steven Schilling, LB Andrew Gachkar.
Grade: B
Analysis: As you can tell, this draft screams defense as four of the top five picks (all in the first three rounds) were on that side of the ball. That started with Liuget at No. 18 overall. Liuget may not be the most dynamic lineman out there, but he’s solid across the board and could play any spot in San Diego’s three-man front. From there, the selection of Gilchrist (who can also line up at cornerback) and Wright restore some much-needed depth in the secondary. Mouton has more than a few detractors, many who say he’s just not that tough, but he’s a very good athlete who is learning to play in the front seven.

NO WAY is the Chiefs draft the least of this division.

listopencil · 05-03-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rad

Rosey from Rotoworld did the AFC draft grades, and seems to know his shit:

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nf...c-draft-grades

Nice to see that he agrees we have our LB corps set for the future.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-03-2011, 04:08 PM

But, but, but Nate Irving bodyslammed a player. He is destined for greatness.

**RealSNR** · 05-03-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

You'll agree it makes no sense to make the claim that the Chiefs got tremendous value out of guys like Justin Houston, Allen Bailey, Ricky Stanzi, and Jerrell Powe while also fulfilling needs at WR and C with great players like Baldwin and Hudson, but then give them a medicore grade like B-, yeah?

Spicy McHaggis · 05-03-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I don't know how we traded down, got an extra 3rd, chose another first round talent with it, got a NT expected to go in the 3rd in the 6th and yet we're a B-.

In a Belichick draft they'd call that sort of thing "value".

ToxSocks · 05-03-2011, 04:34 PM

Penis

Quesadilla Joe · 05-03-2011, 04:40 PM

I have a feeling that Jerrell Powe's career will follow the same path that Chris Baker did. Powe will spend one year on the Chiefs practice squad and then he will be cut before the 2012 season. Any good NT would have been scooped up by one of the dozen or so teams running the 3-4 by the end of the third round.

ToxSocks · 05-03-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo

I have a feeling that Jerrell Powe's career will follow the same path that Chris Baker did. Powe will spend one year on the Chiefs practice squad and then he will be cut before the 2012 season. Any good NT would have been scooped up by one of the dozen or so teams running the 3-4 by the end of the third round.

How do you type with penis fingers?

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-03-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo

I have a feeling that Jerrell Powe's career will follow the same path that Chris Baker did. Powe will spend one year on the Chiefs practice squad and then he will be cut before the 2012 season. Any good NT would have been scooped up by one of the dozen or so teams running the 3-4 by the end of the third round.

He's no Kevin Vickerson.

**RealSNR** · 05-03-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo

I have a feeling that Jerrell Powe's career will follow the same path that Chris Baker did. Powe will spend one year on the Chiefs practice squad and then he will be cut before the 2012 season. Any good NT would have been scooped up by one of the dozen or so teams running the 3-4 by the end of the third round.

For a draft as deep as it was in defensive linemen, there were zero good nose tackles. Phil Taylor is going to be a giant fat piece of shit bust.

The Chiefs got a guy with some awesome potential. Romeo Crennel will turn him into a legitimate nose tackle by the end of the year.

See, I felt kind of homerish typing that out, but it's nowhere near the level of homer I'm used to reading from you.

Quesadilla Joe · 05-03-2011, 04:57 PM

I just don't expect a lot from 6th and 7th round picks. We drafted a DE in the 7th round named Jeremy Beal who had 29.5 sacks (10 more than Justin Houston had in his career) and 57.5 tackles for loss during his college career at Oklahoma but you haven't heard me pimping him out.

vailpass · 05-03-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

You'll agree it makes no sense to make the claim that the Chiefs got tremendous value out of guys like Justin Houston, Allen Bailey, Ricky Stanzi, and Jerrell Powe while also fulfilling needs at WR and C with great players like Baldwin and Hudson, but then give them a medicore grade like B-, yeah?

What I'll agree with is that draft evaluations mean nothing, arguing about rooks who have never played a SINGLE down in the league means nothing. The only reason draft grades exist is to sell ad space, they mean nothing.

In two years it will make more sense to evaluate/grade this year's draft.

vailpass · 05-03-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo

I have a feeling that Jerrell Powe's career will follow the same path that Chris Baker did. Powe will spend one year on the Chiefs practice squad and then he will be cut before the 2012 season. Any good NT would have been scooped up by one of the dozen or so teams running the 3-4 by the end of the third round.

I don't know about that. SEC, big as a horse, dumb as a bag of hammers all looks like the potential to be a good one to me.

veist · 05-03-2011, 05:28 PM

To be honest, the Miller pick even if he does suck against the run and is under utilized as a pass rusher isn't going to be as big of a reach as Moore was. Safety class this year was awful, he basically grades out like Major Wright who went in the third last year. Not a good year to be looking for safety help really.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-03-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by veist

To be honest, the Miller pick even if he does suck against the run and is under utilized as a pass rusher isn't going to be as big of a reach as Moore was. Safety class this year was awful, he basically grades out like Major Wright who went in the third last year. Not a good year to be looking for safety help really.

Xanders had him number 2 overall on his big board behind only Miller. Great pick and tremendous value.

keg in kc · 05-03-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo

I just don't expect a lot from 6th and 7th round picks. We drafted a DE in the 7th round named Jeremy Beal who had 29.5 sacks (10 more than Justin Houston had in his career) and 57.5 tackles for loss during his college career at Oklahoma but you haven't heard me pimping him out.

That can happen when one guy plays a year longer than another.

I thought Beal was a good pick. Didn't expect him to last quite that long. His motor and work ethic might push him beyond his athletic limits, like it did at OU.

05-03-2011, 11:06 AM
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Yahoo.com Draft Grades http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu..._grades_050111 Bite me, if repost Denver Broncos Picks: LB Von Miller, S Rahim Moore, OT Orlando Franklin, LB Nate Irving, S Quinton Carter, TE Julius Thomas, LB Mike Mohamed, TE Virgil Green, DL Jeremy Beal. Grade: B Analysis: A good rule of thumb in the NFL (and pretty much in just about any sport) is take the bigger guy first. The Broncos went against that theory by selecting Miller over Dareus. That said, Miller is the kind of disruptive, pass-rushing force who could be a perennial Pro Bowler. He is explosive and has a great personality, ingredients for becoming a great player and leader. The rest of the draft was very wise. In particular, getting Moore to rejuvenate an ancient secondary was critical (plus backing up that pick with Carter in the fourth round). Throw in the selections of Franklin and Irving and you have a draft that could easily feature four or five starters. That’s exactly what the Broncos had to get in this draft. Kansas City Chiefs Picks: WR Jonathan Baldwin, C Rodney Hudson, LB Justin Houston(notes), DE Allen Bailey(notes), CB Jalil Brown, QB Ricky Stanzi, LB Gabe Miller, DT Jerrell Powe, FB Shane Bannon. Grade: B- Analysis: The Chiefs moved back six spots in the first round and still got an offensive weapon who may start right away in Baldwin. The 6-foot-5 Baldwin is a beast and gives the team a great complement to Dwayne Bowe. However, like Bowe, Baldwin can be a bit of a head case. For instance, he had the gall to complain that the Pitt coaching staff was not throwing to him very much because they wanted to hurt his draft stock. Second-rounder Hudson should start this year or next depending on what happens with Casey Wiegmann. Third-round picks OLB Justin Houston and DE Allen Bailey could easily become starters as rookies. Neither figures to ever be great, but both should be solid starters. Oakland Raiders Picks: C Stefen Wisniewski, CB Demarcus Van Dyke , OL Joseph Barksdale, CB Chimdi Chekwa, RB Taiwan Jones, WR Denarius Moore, TE Richard Gordon, WR David Ausberry . Grade: B+ Analysis: The Raiders get credit for getting DL Richard Seymour two seasons ago with the first-round pick they gave up from this year. Seymour has turned out to be a fine acquisition, even if he’s getting long in the tooth. Starting there, this draft simply reeks of Raiderdom, starting with the selection of Wisniewski in the second round. The latest Wiz will not only play for his uncle, former Raider great Steve Wisniewski, but will probably start from Day 1 because starter Samson Satele just wasn’t that good the past two years. From there, the Raiders basically drafted a 4 x 100 relay team with Van Dyke, Chekwa, Jones and Moore. The Raiders are nothing if not consistent. San Diego Chargers Picks: DT Corey Liuget, CB Marcus Gilchrist, LB Jonas Mouton, WR Vincent Brown, CB Shareece Wright, RB Jordan Todman, OL Steven Schilling, LB Andrew Gachkar. Grade: B Analysis: As you can tell, this draft screams defense as four of the top five picks (all in the first three rounds) were on that side of the ball. That started with Liuget at No. 18 overall. Liuget may not be the most dynamic lineman out there, but he’s solid across the board and could play any spot in San Diego’s three-man front. From there, the selection of Gilchrist (who can also line up at cornerback) and Wright restore some much-needed depth in the secondary. Mouton has more than a few detractors, many who say he’s just not that tough, but he’s a very good athlete who is learning to play in the front seven. NO WAY is the Chiefs draft the least of this division. Last edited by BigMeatballDave; 05-03-2011 at 11:12 AM..
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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3878675	I have a feeling that Jerrell Powe's career will follow the same path that Chris Baker did. Powe will spend one year on the Chiefs practice squad and then he will be cut before the 2012 season. Any good NT would have been scooped up by one of the dozen or so teams running the 3-4 by the end of the third round.
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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3878675	I just don't expect a lot from 6th and 7th round picks. We drafted a DE in the 7th round named Jeremy Beal who had 29.5 sacks (10 more than Justin Houston had in his career) and 57.5 tackles for loss during his college career at Oklahoma but you haven't heard me pimping him out.
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veist Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	To be honest, the Miller pick even if he does suck against the run and is under utilized as a pass rusher isn't going to be as big of a reach as Moore was. Safety class this year was awful, he basically grades out like Major Wright who went in the third last year. Not a good year to be looking for safety help really.
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