Chiefs We are in a GREAT position - Page 5

durtyrute · 11:34 AM

I've been sitting back, going through these threads for the last couple of days reading how: if we keep Romeo that means Cassel, if we would've gotten McD that meant Cassel, Pioli has the biggest ego, Clark Hunt is cheap, 40 years means we will never get a QB and on and on and on.

When Clark officially took over what did he do? He went out and got the best candidate for the job. Whatever the price, he paid it. Then Pioli brought in Haley, who just came from the SuperBowl. (Seemed good at the time and there weren't too many complaints when we went to the playoffs) Then Pioli got us a QB and a Vet LB for a second round pick. (Again, it seemed good at the time, and Cassel did pretty good the season before and when we went to the playoffs) The first draft was a bust, but that is not on the Clarks...lol, that's Pioli and his goons right there. We bring in some cast offs and try to make them stick, most don't, (again, the goons plus Haley at work) Season is a bust and we sucked.

Next season, bring in the best OC and DC you can get, money be damned. The draft was a huge success. We get some decent free agents. No, big names, but we did alright. Haley is almost the coach of the year. Cassel backs that ass up right into the playoffs. We lose, we suck again.

This season, the draft seems alright, shortened offseason, weird preseason (you can debate that if you choose). Injuries, suckage, injuries, suckage, Palko, ultimate suckage, Haley gone, Orton, succesful suckage, season over, RAC city.

Now here we are and all you guys can say is Clark never spends, even though he got the best: GM, OC, DC and OC (Haley) money could buy. For the most part he has signed all of the players we need to keep. Looks like he is spending to me. The whole Smith thing I don't know what that was, so if you feel you must count that then go ahead.

We have a GM that is on his last leg. You guys talk about his ego, for one, most people have egos especially in pro sports, so who cares if he does? For two, do you really think he's going to let the season go to shit because of Cassel? Why would he do that? Oh, he won't bench or cut him because that's admitting a mistake, well Todd Haley says hi.

Now the draft a QB thing. The ****ing draft hasn't even happened yet, shit the SuperBowl hasn't happened and you guys are crying about shit that has happened in the past that has nothing to do with the future. We don't know if we will trade up or not. No one in the organization has been in this situation before, not Pioli or Clark, so can we atleast wait for the draft. As i've shown, Clark is doing what he thinks is right and plus he's a business man he's not going to blow his money because some people in a forum want him too.

I for one think we are in a great position both Pioli and Rac are trying to save there asses and if it comes down to Pioli or Cassel who do you think will be gone first. Now, if we don't sign Bowe and Carr, go into the season with just Cassel and don't draft a qb or at least let Stanzi battle with Cassel then we should burn the place down, but until then.....

**DeezNutz** · 01-10-2012, 04:36 PM

When Clark took over, his stated priority was to draft and develop a QB.

In yesterday's presser, he said we needed to draft well and retain our home-grown talent. No mention of QB.

Clark can go **** himself.

Caseyguyrr · 01-10-2012, 04:38 PM

hes a hypocrite, and ruining the franchise

durtyrute · 01-10-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

No.... I'm blaming Clark for shit he's done since he's been here. Shit that just so happens to mirror what happened before he was here. I don't understand why you can't see the difference.

Since Clark took over, the Chiefs have went 27-53. In the 5 years before that, the Chiefs were 47-33. You sure you would prefer the last 5 years of Clark?

I do see the difference, but that doesn't have shit to do with what is going on this year right now. If we come out next year with Casselvania as our QB and no other plans (Stanzi being ready or a QB this year) then I will agree, but it hasn't even happened yet and people are flipping out.

And yes I would take this five over the previous five. At the end of the previous five, we had to blow the whole thing up. We don't have to do that this time.

Epic Fail 007 · 01-10-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Matt Cassel alone is enough to warrant the Pioli hate.

Cassel was the only option at the time!

Get off that argument its lame

Fish · 01-10-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

I do see the difference, but that doesn't have shit to do with what is going on this year right now. If we come out next year with Casselvania as our QB and no other plans (Stanzi being ready or a QB this year) then I will agree, but it hasn't even happened yet and people are flipping out.

And yes I would take this five over the previous five. At the end of the previous five, we had to blow the whole thing up. We don't have to do that this time.

Again with the exceptions to the praise thread...

Has Clark shown you anything in the last 5 years that makes you think he's serious about drafting and developing a franchise QB? Just in the last 5 years since he's been here. He said he would do so when he took over. Why are you so sure he'll change in year 6? That's what's missing for me...

durtyrute · 01-10-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Again with the exceptions to the praise thread...

Has Clark shown you anything in the last 5 years that makes you think he's serious about drafting and developing a franchise QB? Just in the last 5 years since he's been here. He said he would do so when he took over. Why are you so sure he'll change in year 6? That's what's missing for me...

If you are in a postion to trade a second round pick for a qB that had an 89 something rating and a 10-5 record the year before, you do it. That takes up three years right there. Didn't we draft Brokie somewhere in there before that? They thought he was it, he wasn't, but they tried. They drafted Stanzi, he hasn't played but they did something.

I want what you want too, I'll give me a few more to show me something. If you choose not to thats cool.

Time to go home see you nuts in a few hours

whoman69 · 01-10-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

I do see the difference, but that doesn't have shit to do with what is going on this year right now. If we come out next year with Casselvania as our QB and no other plans (Stanzi being ready or a QB this year) then I will agree, but it hasn't even happened yet and people are flipping out.

And yes I would take this five over the previous five. At the end of the previous five, we had to blow the whole thing up. We don't have to do that this time.

It hasn't happened yet but everyone looking at the Chiefs and talking to them thinks Cassel will be back. There was even a thread stating Crennel believed he would be back. If you can find one source that has talked to people in the organization and says that he won't, let us know.

el borracho · 01-10-2012, 08:04 PM

We have no QB on the roster and are not in a position to get a QB. Explain to me how that gets fixed and I might feel better.

Spott · 01-10-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

I really don't care who's our coach, who's our QB, who's our GM, I just want to fucking start winning playoff games and get a Super Bowl before I die!!!

The sooner you accept the fact that it will never happen the better off you'll be.

Dayze · 01-10-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott

The sooner you accept the fact that it will never happen the better off you'll be.

Lol. This

Rasputin · 01-10-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eric007

Cassel was the only option at the time!

Get off that argument its lame

How in the world was Cassel the only option? There were plenty of options if they wern't hell bent on aquiring Cassel in the first place. He sure the **** didn't have to pay him elite money to go with him before he proved he ****ing sucked.

NJChiefsFan · 01-10-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

I can't really agree with you stance here. Matty Light did the electric slide into the Probowl last year. Then this year he played worse, got hurt, then we picked up Orton. What more could they have done this year. You couldn't cut Matt Castaway after he went to the Pro-Bowl.

I guess not even thinking about Stanzi made me think even more they are comfortable with Cassel. They could have just stayed with Orton to win short-term but I don't like that thinking.

I agree that this is the offseason that Cassel would be cut if Pioli knows what he is doing. Maybe its just all the years of not making the right decision, or the rumors that Pioli still likes Cassel. This team just hasn't shown me that they understand HOW important the QB is.

Again, I would LOVE to come back to these posts in 6 months and call you a prophet. It would make my year.

**J Diddy** · 01-10-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I guess not even thinking about Stanzi made me think even more they are comfortable with Cassel. They could have just stayed with Orton to win short-term but I don't like that thinking.

I agree that this is the offseason that Cassel would be cut if Pioli knows what he is doing. Maybe its just all the years of not making the right decision, or the rumors that Pioli still likes Cassel. This team just hasn't shown me that they understand HOW important the QB is.

Again, I would LOVE to come back to these posts in 6 months and call you a prophet. It would make my year.

The final 3 games were a job interview, plain and simple. If he'd have played Stanzi he would probably not be the head coach.

There are 2 ways that you could argue this. The first being playing the rookie and giving him a chance to develop was best for the franchise, but most likely would have lost the guy they deemed to be the best fit as a head coach. The second being, we got the best fit at head coach and that's what's best for the franchise.

**notorious** · 01-10-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Matt Cassel alone is enough to warrant the Pioli hate.

This.

Rasputin · 01-10-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

We have no QB on the roster and are not in a position to get a QB. Explain to me how that gets fixed and I might feel better.

We can pick a QB in this years draft, let him duke it out with Stanzi. Go back next year in the draft and pick another QB so we can get better odds of grasping one through the draft. We have neglected the QB spot in the draft for three decades so that is where we are now and paying for it with playoff inaptude.

The new rookie cap space will allow us to take chances on QBs in the draft & build a program to develop them or get value from having them play a season. You can not aquire too much tallent for compitition at the most key positions.

01-10-2012, 11:28 AM
durtyrute MVP Join Date: Mar 2011 Casino cash: $7946085	We are in a GREAT position I've been sitting back, going through these threads for the last couple of days reading how: if we keep Romeo that means Cassel, if we would've gotten McD that meant Cassel, Pioli has the biggest ego, Clark Hunt is cheap, 40 years means we will never get a QB and on and on and on. When Clark officially took over what did he do? He went out and got the best candidate for the job. Whatever the price, he paid it. Then Pioli brought in Haley, who just came from the SuperBowl. (Seemed good at the time and there weren't too many complaints when we went to the playoffs) Then Pioli got us a QB and a Vet LB for a second round pick. (Again, it seemed good at the time, and Cassel did pretty good the season before and when we went to the playoffs) The first draft was a bust, but that is not on the Clarks...lol, that's Pioli and his goons right there. We bring in some cast offs and try to make them stick, most don't, (again, the goons plus Haley at work) Season is a bust and we sucked. Next season, bring in the best OC and DC you can get, money be damned. The draft was a huge success. We get some decent free agents. No, big names, but we did alright. Haley is almost the coach of the year. Cassel backs that ass up right into the playoffs. We lose, we suck again. This season, the draft seems alright, shortened offseason, weird preseason (you can debate that if you choose). Injuries, suckage, injuries, suckage, Palko, ultimate suckage, Haley gone, Orton, succesful suckage, season over, RAC city. Now here we are and all you guys can say is Clark never spends, even though he got the best: GM, OC, DC and OC (Haley) money could buy. For the most part he has signed all of the players we need to keep. Looks like he is spending to me. The whole Smith thing I don't know what that was, so if you feel you must count that then go ahead. We have a GM that is on his last leg. You guys talk about his ego, for one, most people have egos especially in pro sports, so who cares if he does? For two, do you really think he's going to let the season go to shit because of Cassel? Why would he do that? Oh, he won't bench or cut him because that's admitting a mistake, well Todd Haley says hi. Now the draft a QB thing. The ***ing draft hasn't even happened yet, shit the SuperBowl hasn't happened and you guys are crying about shit that has happened in the past that has nothing to do with the future. We don't know if we will trade up or not. No one in the organization has been in this situation before, not Pioli or Clark, so can we atleast wait for the draft. As i've shown, Clark is doing what he thinks is right and plus he's a business man he's not going to blow his money because some people in a forum want him too. I for one think we are in a great position both Pioli and Rac are trying to save there asses and if it comes down to Pioli or Cassel who do you think will be gone first. Now, if we don't sign Bowe and Carr, go into the season with just Cassel and don't draft a qb or at least let Stanzi battle with Cassel then we should burn the place down, but until then..... Last edited by durtyrute; 01-10-2012 at 11:34 AM..*
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