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Old 03-01-2012, 04:46 AM  
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Whitlock thinks RG3's speed is a curse
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My professors at Ball State warned me that my good looks, perfectly sculpted body and high intellect might impede my career as a journalist. They feared my seemingly endless physical and intellectual gifts would prevent me from developing a singular focus.

I have similar fears when assessing Robert Griffin III’s NFL prospects. Abundant talent can be a curse.

The biggest news of the NFL Combine was RG3’s blazing 40-yard dash time. He covered 40 yards like a shutdown corner, clocking a 4.41. The instant-Twitter analysis of NFL experts was that Griffin’s show of speed increased the value of the Rams’ pick, the one right after the pick the Colts are expected to use on Stanford QB Andrew Luck.

In my opinion, Griffin’s speed doesn’t enhance his draft stock. It damages it.

I am not a Robert Griffin hater. I love RG3. In all likelihood, he will be my favorite NFL player next season. He could quickly become my favorite active athlete, ahead of Tiger Woods, Ray Lewis and Jeff George (has yet to file his retirement paperwork).

But I’m worried about Griffin. He’s blessed with too many tools. Oftentimes, the greatest athletes are physically limited, which strengthens their focus. Bill Russell could never match Wilt Chamberlain’s size and limitless athleticism. Larry Bird and Magic Johnson weren’t the greatest leapers or the quickest on their feet.

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are relatively immobile. They play from the pocket because they have no choice. They mastered the art of playing from the pocket because they had no other choice.

NFL games are won most consistently by quarterbacks who play from the pocket. If a quarterback leaves the pocket, he’s going to get hit. If a quarterback gets hit regularly, he’s going to get hurt. If a franchise quarterback gets injured, his team has little chance of winning the Super Bowl.

NFL teams are looking for the next Manning or Brady. Or the next Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger. A little mobility is good, especially if the quarterback moves in the pocket in an effort to throw downfield. Rodgers and Big Ben are terrific at moving to throw. Is that how Griffin will use his athleticism?

Or does Griffin have so much speed that he’ll channel Michael Vick?

Vick had too much talent early in his career. The game was too easy. The temptation to fix problems with his feet was too great for him to master QB play from the pocket. He’s just now attempting to play the game from the pocket. Even now, he gives in to his blazing speed and exits the pocket prematurely.

OK, we know RG3 is vastly different from the young Michael Vick. But it took Donovan McNabb a few years to commit to pocket play. Steve Young had to sit behind Joe Montana in San Francisco to learn to fully appreciate the pocket.

NFL fans are going to want to see Griffin run. When you’re faster than everyone on the field, it makes sense to run. Griffin is going to be fighting common sense and his natural instincts.

And what if he gets paired with the wrong head coach, a coach who is looking for a quick-fix rather than Griffin’s long-term success?

There is talk that the Redskins might want to move up in the draft to get RG3. Mike Shanahan is under pressure in Washington. He needs to win right away to ease the public pressure and prevent Daniel Snyder from firing him. Shanahan could play Griffin as a rookie and allow him to run because his legs might produce eight or nine victories quicker than his arm.

All coaches prefer to win now. It’s the only way to guarantee another season. Is there a proven, confident coach in a stable organization willing to properly support Griffin’s development?

Environment and fit are the keys to Griffin’s success. That’s why Luck is the better prospect. Luck is extremely gifted, but he won’t be tempted to outrun James Harrison or Terrell Suggs. The only way for Luck to consistently avoid big hits will be with quick reads and a quicker release. He’ll be forced to play QB the “right” way.

That is not to say Luck will be a better NFL quarterback than Griffin. My money is on Griffin being the second coming of Steve Young. But I’m just a fan. It won’t be my job to teach him to shy away from his God-given talent.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:34 AM   #61
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:44 AM   #63
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I did not watch a lot of RG3 at Baylor but the times i did watch him, to me he seemed to be a pass first run second type of QB.
Yeah, but he's black, so obviously it's the other way around.
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:45 AM   #64
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:49 AM   #65
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RG3 is a different type of player than Randall or Vick was and way better. He's smart, did anybody watch that epic bowl game last season? At the end of the game, when RG3 got the ball back and it was time to close the game, you could just see it in his face that he knew they were gonna win. It was like he oozed confidence and I want a guy like that, he's gonna be special. I'm not sure if he's gonna be quite as good as Cam was rookie season but in the long run I think he will be better. It would be so awesome if we make this happen.
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How fast was Cam Newton? Both Cam Newton & RGIII are good passers and can make plays however it takes to win. Cam had a spectacular rookie campain & they have gone from the worst team picking first to continders just with Cam & are prime for great things in the NFL. I am jealous of the Panthers right now as I see them building a team that can take over the NFC & start dominating the league for years with him at QB. While we pick our nose with retreads, the Panthers go from worst to possibly best right before our eyes.

I just predict Panthers will win a playoff game or two before Chiefs with our retreads system.
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Doesn't count. He hardly even played that season.
He was that Superbowl's MVP.
What do you mean it doesn't count?
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How fast was Cam Newton? Both Cam Newton & RGIII are good passers and can make plays however it takes to win. Cam had a spectacular rookie campain & they have gone from the worst team picking first to continders just with Cam & are prime for great things in the NFL. I am jealous of the Panthers right now as I see them building a team that can take over the NFC & start dominating the league for years with him at QB. While we pick our nose with retreads, the Panthers go from worst to possibly best right before our eyes.

I just predict Panthers will win a playoff game or two before Chiefs with our retreads system.
I said it last year before the season ever started, Cam will get to the Superbowl and fast. He's really the first of his kind at QB, it's like Lebron James playing QB or something, he's a freak athlete, a champion and can put up 4,000 yards passing as a rookie. I think he's a douche, but he's ****ing talented as hell.
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On a track RG3 is faster than Newton but I'd take Newton running on a football field over RG3.
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I said it last year before the season ever started, Cam will get to the Superbowl and fast. He's really the first of his kind at QB, it's like Lebron James playing QB or something, he's a freak athlete, a champion and can put up 4,000 yards passing as a rookie. I think he's a douche, but he's ****ing talented as hell.
For character I like RGIII way better than Newton, I give the edge on tallent to Newton but RGIII is special IMO. I was really shocked by the performance of Newton and was even surprised that he was taken first overall last year. What would be epic is if we snag RGIII and hook up in the Super Bowl against the Panthers in a couple of short years getting there. I'm calling it now, if we get RGIII that is.
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I agree with him. A little mobility is good. But "run around" quarterbacks have never won shit in terms of NFL championships. You have to win from the pocket. That's not even debatable.
I pretty much agree here, i'll always prefer a pocket passer.
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I pretty much agree here, i'll always prefer a pocket passer.
You guys are arguing a straw man, you do realize?

RGIII's mobility doesn't take away from his skills as a passer. There's absolutely no reason at all why he couldn't be like an Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay.
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The article starts with a delusional statement and has a delusional premise. Why should I read it?
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I understand the concern, but it's easily dealt with.

In one of the Rocky movies, Mickey gave Rocky the gift of speed by spending countless hours training him to chase a chicken. What Daboll needs to do is spend countless hours teaching RG3 to chase a yard gnome.

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