Chiefs Let's do the Pioli thing again. - Page 5

Direckshun · 05-27-2012, 03:02 PM

I know there's a strong anti-Pioli current around here, and some people pretty much want the guy gone yesterday.

It's not because he's building a lopsided team on one side of the ball, like we've had since we hired Marty Schottenheimer.

It's not because he's drafted poorly. Even if you include 2009, he's been a top five drafting GM. I don't give a shit about Dexter McCluster. At least he gives you something -- I prefer that burnt 2nd round pick to Turk McBride and Bernard Pollard.

It's not because he can't acquire talent. Excepting 2009, we've had successful acquisitions with virtually no busts in free agency.

Coaching hires? Please. Haley and Crennel are pure talent-development coaches. Weis and Crennel were extraordinary hires as coordinators. Daboll isn't a great acquisition, but it's a good fit for the talent on this team.

It's not because he can't build a team. Few people deny that this team is as talented and as deep everywhere as all but something like five or six teams in the league (QB excepted), maybe fewer.

So why?

Because of the quarterback position? Pioli doesn't care about the QB position, right?

Riiiight.

It's not exactly a high bar to clear, but Quinn and Stanzi provide us the best QB depth this team has. We had the choice between Cassel and Sanchez, and made the right choice. We passed on Dalton -- few people could blame us for that, in hindsight a true mistake.

But we all know the Cassel yarn is unraveling. That's the point of my question -- what happens if we give Pioli 10 years?

Letting Orton slide, whiffing on Manning, all the frustration from fans and the media...

Cassel's got a year left, probably. He's got a max of what, three years left? At the absolute extreme?

What do you expect then? You think Pioli's just going to hop from one discarded backup to the next? To another stopgap option and hope to coast until he gets fired?

This is the best this team has been in a long time. Add a good QB to the mix, and this team is knocking on Super Bowl doors for a decade.

Why do you want to walk away from that?

Why do you want to gamble on god knows what the next GM might be like?

There's no chance the next GM is a better draft or a guy who's going to be far more likely to burn millions on free agents that don't pan out.

There's no chance the next GM puts a better balance on the field. And may not hire coaches who value development as much as Pioli does.

I'm a really big fan of Pioli.

I agree, he needs to pull his head out of his ass on QB. But he did the right thing, he picked his guy there and gave him every chance.

/purehate

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-27-2012, 05:53 PM

This is a very big year for him and the team.

**Dylan** · 05-27-2012, 06:12 PM

The Chiefs' offensive line is ten times better than the Giants' offensive line ... just saying.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-27-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

The Chiefs' offensive line is ten times better than the Giants' offensive line ... just saying.

Your QB is 100 times better though

milkman · 05-27-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

In 2009, we struggled mightily in the first half, but in the 2nd half we played much better. We won 3 of the 8 games and lost by a TD or less in 3 of the 5 losses.

Since midseason of 2009 to now, we are an even 20-20, and that's with all the injuries we had last year.

I think you'll find that Daboll will be a very good OC for this team. His play selection confused teams last year and still worked with Matt Moore at QB.

If Daboll can get the most out of a lesser talented QB in Miami, along with Weis being within an hour to help Cassel (he was at OTA's btw), I think we'll see a Cassel similar to the 2010 form.

The OL will be the key to the season. Last year our OL sucked and Cassel got ran over. Getting Winston was huge and Hudson looks like he will become an above average C from what I saw last year. Cassel looked good in 2010 when the OL gave him time and our coaching staff knows that better than anyone.

This team has to win 10 games this year, which there is no reason why they shouldn't (unless we get plagued with injuries like last year). Pioli knows this team has to go to the playoffs this year at the minimum.

The head coach of a division 1 football program is not going to have time to help out our brokedick QB.

And the rumors are that Charlie Weis gave up trying to fix our brokedick QB by midseason or earlier anyway.

And Cassel looked "good" agianst a weakass schedule, with defenses keying on Jamaal Charles.

He shit his pants against good teams, and has done so each and every time he has faced one of those.

Scott Pioli went the safe route.

He traded for someone he was familiar with rather than risking a draft bust at QB.

And sadly, that someone he was familiar with speaks to the fact that when it comes to QB play, he doesn't have a ****ing clue.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 05-27-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The head coach of a division 1 football program is not going to have time to help out our brokedick QB.

And the rumors are that Charlie Weis gave up trying to fix our brokedick QB by midseason or earlier anyway.

And Cassel looked "good" agianst a weakass schedule, with defenses keying on Jamaal Charles.

He shit his pants against good teams, and has done so each and every time he has faced one of those.

Scott Pioli went the safe route.

He traded for someone he was familiar with rather than risking a draft bust at QB.

And sadly, that someone he was familiar with speaks to the fact that when it comes to QB play, he doesn't have a ****ing clue.

I was about to say, no ****ing way Weis spends 1 second focused on anything besides Kansas football. An otherwise thoughtful post was ruined by even the mention of something so silly.

Ace Gunner · 05-27-2012, 07:28 PM

cassel sucks, hunt is an idiot. pioli at least knows football and can put a few things together for a team. and I was pleased to see you (OP) describe the coaching selections based in talent focused development types, because the systems this team runs are unique to the parcells coaching tree and you have to teach those systems very fundamentally when first starting up with a team. haley, weis & crennel are all from that tree.

I never liked cassel, but was willing to give the dude a chance. but I knew from watching a pre season pats game years before that he is a baseball player masquerading as a QB. I felt he'd be good for the chiefs because he was sturdy that season he played for brady and he had 50 sacks but kept getting back up. the chiefs needed that badly, so it was a good choice back then and still, I think it has been good for the team to have a steady if not good QB. but, enough.

pioli should have replaced cassel last off season. that to me is gonna come back on him. but, we;ll see. maybe golden socal boy can pull it out for pioli. regardless, he'll get at least until the end of 2013 to put a team together.

L.A. Chieffan · 05-27-2012, 07:30 PM

Right, pioli is going to replace a qb immediately after a playoff appearance and a pro bowl. U guys need to lay off the crack.

milkman · 05-27-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Right, pioli is going to replace a qb immediately after a playoff appearance and a pro bowl. U guys need to lay off the crack.

Ozzie Newsome replaced a QB that won the SB the year immediatley following that SB.

17th ****ing alternate for the ProBowl.

Big ****ing deal.

And, dumbass, I embelished the 17th.

Your trolling is getting ****ing old.

L.A. Chieffan · 05-27-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Ozzie Newsome replaced a QB that won the SB the year immediatley following that SB.

17th ****ing alternate for the ProBowl.

Big ****ing deal.

And, dumbass, I embelished the 17th.

Your trolling is getting ****ing old.

Good for Ozzie ****ing newsome, that don't mean shit.

You're just old.

L.A. Chieffan · 05-27-2012, 07:41 PM

Oh btw, how many superbowls have the ravens won since they let dilfer walk?

Exactly, dumbass

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-27-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Oh btw, how many superbowls have the ravens won since they let dilfer walk?

Exactly, dumbass

**BossChief** · 05-27-2012, 08:11 PM

They replaced him with Grbac.

Should have kept Dilfer.

milkman · 05-27-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

They replaced him with Grbac.

Should have kept Dilfer.

Yes, but they tried, and have continued to try.

That's all I ask.

Just ****ing try.

jspchief · 05-27-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

After inheriting a team that went 15-33 and had the WORST two year span in TEAM HISTORY.

He inherited a team that did all the dirty work. Torn down to the foundation. That terrible stretch was the product of starting from scratch, something Peterson never allowed the the team to do.

And so far Pioli looks hell bent on taking after Peterson. Making safe moves, taking familiar QBs and coaches. The two biggest moves he made were Cassel and Haley, and they both failed.

RunKC · 05-27-2012, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

The head coach of a division 1 football program is not going to have time to help out our brokedick QB.

And the rumors are that Charlie Weis gave up trying to fix our brokedick QB by midseason or earlier anyway.

And Cassel looked "good" agianst a weakass schedule, with defenses keying on Jamaal Charles.

He shit his pants against good teams, and has done so each and every time he has faced one of those.

Scott Pioli went the safe route.

He traded for someone he was familiar with rather than risking a draft bust at QB.

And sadly, that someone he was familiar with speaks to the fact that when it comes to QB play, he doesn't have a ****ing clue.

What about in NE? Cassel beat some good teams there. And it sure looks like our running game is gonna help Cassel again.

And I would take Cassel over Sanchez anyday.

Sanchez had success early, but he had a damn good running game and an overall great team like Cassel has this year.

05-27-2012, 03:02 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3583447	Let's do the Pioli thing again. I know there's a strong anti-Pioli current around here, and some people pretty much want the guy gone yesterday. It's not because he's building a lopsided team on one side of the ball, like we've had since we hired Marty Schottenheimer. It's not because he's drafted poorly. Even if you include 2009, he's been a top five drafting GM. I don't give a shit about Dexter McCluster. At least he gives you something -- I prefer that burnt 2nd round pick to Turk McBride and Bernard Pollard. It's not because he can't acquire talent. Excepting 2009, we've had successful acquisitions with virtually no busts in free agency. Coaching hires? Please. Haley and Crennel are pure talent-development coaches. Weis and Crennel were extraordinary hires as coordinators. Daboll isn't a great acquisition, but it's a good fit for the talent on this team. It's not because he can't build a team. Few people deny that this team is as talented and as deep everywhere as all but something like five or six teams in the league (QB excepted), maybe fewer. So why? Because of the quarterback position? Pioli doesn't care about the QB position, right? Riiiight. It's not exactly a high bar to clear, but Quinn and Stanzi provide us the best QB depth this team has. We had the choice between Cassel and Sanchez, and made the right choice. We passed on Dalton -- few people could blame us for that, in hindsight a true mistake. But we all know the Cassel yarn is unraveling. That's the point of my question -- what happens if we give Pioli 10 years? Letting Orton slide, whiffing on Manning, all the frustration from fans and the media... Cassel's got a year left, probably. He's got a max of what, three years left? At the absolute extreme? What do you expect then? You think Pioli's just going to hop from one discarded backup to the next? To another stopgap option and hope to coast until he gets fired? This is the best this team has been in a long time. Add a good QB to the mix, and this team is knocking on Super Bowl doors for a decade. Why do you want to walk away from that? Why do you want to gamble on god knows what the next GM might be like? There's no chance the next GM is a better draft or a guy who's going to be far more likely to burn millions on free agents that don't pan out. There's no chance the next GM puts a better balance on the field. And may not hire coaches who value development as much as Pioli does. I'm a really big fan of Pioli. I agree, he needs to pull his head out of his ass on QB. But he did the right thing, he picked his guy there and gave him every chance. /purehate
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Ace Gunner First Overall Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: kcmo Casino cash: $10007271	cassel sucks, hunt is an idiot. pioli at least knows football and can put a few things together for a team. and I was pleased to see you (OP) describe the coaching selections based in talent focused development types, because the systems this team runs are unique to the parcells coaching tree and you have to teach those systems very fundamentally when first starting up with a team. haley, weis & crennel are all from that tree. I never liked cassel, but was willing to give the dude a chance. but I knew from watching a pre season pats game years before that he is a baseball player masquerading as a QB. I felt he'd be good for the chiefs because he was sturdy that season he played for brady and he had 50 sacks but kept getting back up. the chiefs needed that badly, so it was a good choice back then and still, I think it has been good for the team to have a steady if not good QB. but, enough. pioli should have replaced cassel last off season. that to me is gonna come back on him. but, we;ll see. maybe golden socal boy can pull it out for pioli. regardless, he'll get at least until the end of 2013 to put a team together. __________________ The Greatest
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