Daboll: Matt Cassel is a winner

[Hammock Parties]

Holy shit. The propganda machine is churning.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-new-chiefs-oc

Matt Cassel has had an up-and-down three-season run with the Kansas City Chiefs, but new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll believes he inherited a winner at the quarterback position.

Cassel led the New England Patriots to an 11-5 record after Tom Brady wrecked his knee in Week 1 of the 2008 season. He later piloted the Chiefs to a 10-6 mark and an AFC West title in 2010. Cassel has never won a playoff game -- in fact, he played terribly against the Ravens in his only postseason start -- but Daboll sees a player who knows how to lead his team.


"He's been a winner," Daboll told reporters Thursday, according to ESPN.com. "He's had two 10-plus win seasons. I did a study just this offseason about 10-plus-win quarterbacks, which is what you're defined by, obviously. There's been nine of them in the last four years that have had two or more 10-plus win seasons in the regular season, and Matt is one of them.

"The other ones being Brady, (Drew) Brees, (Aaron) Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli (Manning), (Joe) Flacco, (Matt) Ryan, so he's been a winner. He works his tail off in the classroom. I think he's done a good job in these OTAs, and I'm looking forward to working with him."

Daboll finds a creative way to lump Cassel in with a group of the game's best quarterbacks, but he does leave out the big picture. Despite those 10-plus win seasons, Cassel is a pedestrian 28-26 in games he's started overall.

If you really are defined by your record, this seems about right.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

daboll is a smart guy and he knows cassel is our man

Franchise QB

[Fish]

Here's some additional cherry picked stats for Matt Cassel's amazing 10 win seasons. These are Cassel's ranks in the league for the respective categories:

2008:
Sacks: 1st in the league with 47. (The year before, Brady had 21. The year after, Brady had 16. Hmmm.)
Comp %: 11th
Avg. Yds: 11th
Yds/Gm: 10th
20+ yd pass: 16th. (Brees was first with an additional 29 passes that went 20+ yds)
40+ yd pass: 18th


2010:
Comp %: 26th
Yards: 19th
Avg. Yds: 18th
Yds/Gm: 24th
20+ yd pass: 16th
40+ yd pass: 24th


His 2008 performance wasn't bad, other than his ridiculous sack numbers that should be a huge red flag. But he still barely got into the top 10 in most categories, and this is with the proficient Pats offense, who won 10+ games from 2001 to 2011 every season except 2002, in which they had 9 wins. So the Pats offense was rolling for an entire decade.

His 2010 season was obviously thanks to Jamaal Charles and the Chiefs #1 ranked rushing attack. His stats that year were pretty shitty for a 10 win team. Nothing about Cassel stands out except the way he handed the ball off.

Wins are all that matter. Daboll got that part correct. But lets not act like those 10 win seasons were directly because of the play of Cassel.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by PGM

Franchise QB

Pretty much. Just wait til he gets that extension

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Pretty much. Just wait til he gets that extension

You're trolling harder than usual. I'm disappointed. Now .

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by Clay's Transexual FB

You're trolling harder than usual. I'm disappointed. Now .

lick my sack non-chiefs fan. gtfo

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

lick my sack non-chiefs fan. gtfo

Die in a fire!

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

it went pretty much unnoticed on here but cassel has been working with the esteemed tom house this offseason on mechanics. one less thing to gripe about!

well, we did have a mention of this in another thread sometime back. imo when you start working throwing mechanics it takes a season to implement on the field as a player, a season to get up to speed with them and then by the third season, you can put it out there as your own automatically. nobody throws the same, he will need to find his way.

imo matt cassel won't change. if he is to have success, he needs to know his timing and adjust for it. he has never been able to nail guys in WCO style shallow cross plays because of his mechanics. he takes too much time to release the ball. therefore, the OC needs to either turn those plays into timing oriented "hit the spot at the right moment" type plays or not use those plays.

this offense has been a smashmouth run offense mixed with vertical pass plays, skinny post stuff. you need WR's that can fly and bowe is a liability there, he's not fast enough to get behind cover.

over the years this offense has integrated WCO type plays, spread/coryell type plays, etc but it is still a smashmouth base offense that requires a badass RB. so, that's why jamaal charles was not really given a chance early on. we all know charles is worthy of changing the system to compliment the player, because he is that good of a player. they did that, got charles to change his style and well, it was working for the chiefs during 2010.

i don't know what is going to transpire now, there are many areas in question such as berry/JC/moeaki injuries and come backs. there is the NT problem and it would be unfair to expect poe to just come in and dominate, i don't believe this will happen.

but, there is a pass rush prospect here with the chiefs, and this is most important to regular season wins, so it could be they do well this year from pass rush.

but, the middle of both lines is questionable at best and I don't really see them doing a whole lot this season. then you have this thing with bowe and I think he's going to be exposed this year, i think other WR's are going to excel in this offense and bowe is going to fall a bit because as i said, he's not the kind of guy that is a vertical threat and breaston/baldwin are. so, if those two can get something going with cassel -- who btw can air the ball out in a vertical offense (see the vertical play he made with moss against the chiefs after brady was injured), then maybe at some point mid season, the dust that is bowe will settle and those speedy WR's will get more catches etc.

it'll take them about that same amount of time for the middle of the offensive line to get going and to me, that is primary in why I believe the team is going to be 500 going through the first half of this season. having hillis is not enough, they need to block up the middle for him to have consistent success.

so, all in all, i think this season will be another 8 - 8 season or something insignificant to a team that is supposed to have a "pro bowl QB" yet can't seem to get going from that position.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

but, the middle of both lines is questionable at best and I don't really see them doing a whole lot this season. then you have this thing with bowe and I think he's going to be exposed this year, i think other WR's are going to excel in this offense and bowe is going to fall a bit because as i said, he's not the kind of guy that is a vertical threat and breaston/baldwin are. so, if those two can get something going with cassel -- who btw can air the ball out in a vertical offense (see the vertical play he made with moss against the chiefs after brady was injured), then maybe at some point mid season, the dust that is bowe will settle and those speedy WR's will get more catches etc.

Have you watched any Chiefs football in the past 3 years? He's way more apt to overthrow/underthrow those long balls.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Here's some additional cherry picked stats for Matt Cassel's amazing 10 win seasons. These are Cassel's ranks in the league for the respective categories:

2008:
Sacks: 1st in the league with 47. (The year before, Brady had 21. The year after, Brady had 16. Hmmm.)
Comp %: 11th
Avg. Yds: 11th
Yds/Gm: 10th
20+ yd pass: 16th. (Brees was first with an additional 29 passes that went 20+ yds)
40+ yd pass: 18th


2010:
Comp %: 26th
Yards: 19th
Avg. Yds: 18th
Yds/Gm: 24th
20+ yd pass: 16th
40+ yd pass: 24th


His 2008 performance wasn't bad, other than his ridiculous sack numbers that should be a huge red flag. But he still barely got into the top 10 in most categories, and this is with the proficient Pats offense, who won 10+ games from 2001 to 2011 every season except 2002, in which they had 9 wins. So the Pats offense was rolling for an entire decade.

His 2010 season was obviously thanks to Jamaal Charles and the Chiefs #1 ranked rushing attack. His stats that year were pretty shitty for a 10 win team. Nothing about Cassel stands out except the way he handed the ball off.

Wins are all that matter. Daboll got that part correct. But lets not act like those 10 win seasons were directly because of the play of Cassel.

His numbers with NE were excellent. For a guy that didn't start a game in college and who sat on the bench for a few years in the NFL to come in, even on an excellent team, and put up those numbers is impressive.

In 2010 he had Bowe and Moeaki as receiving threats and that was it. He got both of them the ball. Heck, Bowe had 15 TDs. Moeaki looked decent. Receiving depth was so bad that Pioli and Haley in their wisest judgment brought in a brand spanking new #2 receiver for the playoffs several days before the game.

Maybe with some better receivers and a head coach that isn't insane the guy can finally settle down in the pocket and handle pressure a little better.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

well, we did have a mention of this in another thread sometime back. imo when you start working throwing mechanics it takes a season to implement on the field as a player, a season to get up to speed with them and then by the third season, you can put it out there as your own automatically. nobody throws the same, he will need to find his way.

imo matt cassel won't change. if he is to have success, he needs to know his timing and adjust for it. he has never been able to nail guys in WCO style shallow cross plays because of his mechanics. he takes too much time to release the ball. therefore, the OC needs to either turn those plays into timing oriented "hit the spot at the right moment" type plays or not use those plays.

this offense has been a smashmouth run offense mixed with vertical pass plays, skinny post stuff. you need WR's that can fly and bowe is a liability there, he's not fast enough to get behind cover.

over the years this offense has integrated WCO type plays, spread/coryell type plays, etc but it is still a smashmouth base offense that requires a badass RB. so, that's why jamaal charles was not really given a chance early on. we all know charles is worthy of changing the system to compliment the player, because he is that good of a player. they did that, got charles to change his style and well, it was working for the chiefs during 2010.

i don't know what is going to transpire now, there are many areas in question such as berry/JC/moeaki injuries and come backs. there is the NT problem and it would be unfair to expect poe to just come in and dominate, i don't believe this will happen.

but, there is a pass rush prospect here with the chiefs, and this is most important to regular season wins, so it could be they do well this year from pass rush.

but, the middle of both lines is questionable at best and I don't really see them doing a whole lot this season. then you have this thing with bowe and I think he's going to be exposed this year, i think other WR's are going to excel in this offense and bowe is going to fall a bit because as i said, he's not the kind of guy that is a vertical threat and breaston/baldwin are. so, if those two can get something going with cassel -- who btw can air the ball out in a vertical offense (see the vertical play he made with moss against the chiefs after brady was injured), then maybe at some point mid season, the dust that is bowe will settle and those speedy WR's will get more catches etc.

it'll take them about that same amount of time for the middle of the offensive line to get going and to me, that is primary in why I believe the team is going to be 500 going through the first half of this season. having hillis is not enough, they need to block up the middle for him to have consistent success.

so, all in all, i think this season will be another 8 - 8 season or something insignificant to a team that is supposed to have a "pro bowl QB" yet can't seem to get going from that position.

Also.....

[Ace Gunner]

but we can certainly compare notes after the season. if you are worth a shit.

[notorious]

Great, we had an old **** calling plays last year, now we have a senile **** calling plays this year.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

daboll is a smart guy and he knows cassel is our weak kink

fyp

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Have you watched any Chiefs football in the past 3 years? He's way more apt to overthrow/underthrow those long balls.

ya, that's why i said "bowe is going to be exposed this year" is because it is not obvious to fans like you that bowe is a terrible route runner and has every ****ing excuse for not getting down field, just like his fans do.

bowe has got to go. you watch. if things pan out the way i said, bowe is gone and these new WR's will make cassel look like moss made cassel look. decent.

and don't even come back to me saying i said cassel is not the problem. i will not watch the chiefs until that ****ing queer is on the bench.

both cassel and bowe are ****ing tards. but mostly it is bowe.

here's the play i pointed out -- it is a 35 yard pass to moss, in stride and effortless, so ya, bowe is a liability in cassel's weak game;

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-englan...sel-highlights

and oh btw - just because i like you, i will begin typing with proper caps.

[RustShack]

Matt Cassel will be a winner this year. But only because the rest of the team carries him to the playoffs. He isn't going to lose us games, and that's all he has to do with this team.