Football Gabbert going down bust avenue - Page 5

-King- · 08-01-2012, 09:17 AM

So far, Gabbert doesn’t look ready for a leap

Posted by Evan Silva on August 1, 2012, 9:24 AM EDT

The Jacksonville Jaguars are reeling, and increasingly injured. And the new head coach has never even met the best player on the team. To be kind, the Jaguars’ season is off to a dysfunctional start.

There is a quick fix for all of this, though, and we’ve alluded to it before. And conveniently, the guy who can do it is already on the roster. Quarterback Blaine Gabbert can elevate the Jaguars’ 2012 performance if he takes a big leap in year two of his NFL career. Gabbert is the key to Jacksonville’s season.

According to ESPN.com AFC South blogger Paul Kuharsky, however, Gabbert’s practice-field performance suggests he is not ready for that sophomore leap.

Kuharsky was in attendance for Tuesday’s practice, and wrote that Gabbert “didn’t look like a guy who’s made the big jump.” While Kuharsky guessed that Gabbert’s footwork has improved, the quarterback’s lingering accuracy woes were more noticeable.

“You watch it and don’t understand how it still happens,” Kuharsky wrote. “… I didn’t come away from this morning session feeling like he was much more effective than the last time I saw him.”

Accuracy and an utter lack of pocket composure were Gabbert’s primary downfalls during one of the worst rookie seasons by a quarterback in league history. It doesn’t sound like he’s corrected the accuracy flaw. We’ll know in Week One whether he’s overcome the pocket fear.

The Jaguars face Jared Allen’s Vikings in the season opener.
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King_Chief_Fan · 08-01-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm not a gabbert fan. But Jfc people here want to groom a qb and claim they'll be patient. And then they call a qb a bust before his second season of play.

Eli Manning looked as bad if not worse than gabbert did. That's not to say gabbert is Eli Manning. It's to say, relax, the guy is young. He deserves at least 3 years.

I hope that clown lasts 3 years there. Otherwise the Chiefs pick him up and we will all be wanting Cassel back.

Gabbert is not a QBOTF for anyone.

**BossChief** · 08-01-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It will be interesting - assuming this franchise ever decides to select a QB in the 1st round - if this fanbase will give up on him after a poor rookie season.

I'm not saying the kid is going to be great, but he's starting his second year, with the least talented team in the NFL.

Too many people here expect young QB's to be world-beaters immediately.

Hold the **** on.

Aren't franchise quarterbacks supposed to make those around them better?

**The Franchise** · 08-01-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Hold the **** on.

Aren't franchise quarterbacks supposed to make those around them better?

And franchise QBs play lights out in their 1st year all of the time....correct?

-King- · 08-01-2012, 03:27 PM

I still don't understand how a QB with 16 TDs in a spread offense was looked at as a great QB. I thought many hated the spread because of how it inflated stats, yet people ignore how subpar Gabbert's #s were.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-01-2012, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

And franchise QBs play lights out in their 1st year all of the time....correct?

Once again, he's arguing the poster and not the post itself.

I've said it before, I'll say it again - it will be interesting - assuming this franchise ever decides to select a QB in the 1st round - if this fanbase will give up on him after a poor rookie season.

Based on the comments in this thread, and hundreds of others, I can't see the fanbase having the patience necessary.

Then again, this fanbase has bent over backwards the past three years to make excuses for a 27-30 year old career backup.

An interesting situation, to say the least.

Frazod · 08-01-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I still don't understand how a QB with 16 TDs in a spread offense was looked at as a great QB. I thought many hated the spread because of how it inflated stats, yet people ignore how subpar Gabbert's #s were.

HE'S TALL!!!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S TALL!!!!

Did I mention that he's tall?

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-01-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Hold the **** on.

Aren't franchise quarterbacks supposed to make those around them better?

Those with agendas like to have it both ways...

ToxSocks · 08-01-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Based on the comments in this thread, and hundreds of others, I can't see the fanbase having the patience necessary.

haha. A QB simply has to give the fanbase HOPE. Look at how Chiefs fans latch on to Ricky Stanzi, and you honestly think they wouldn't latch on to their first rookie QB in 30 years?

Yeah ****ing right.

The thing you keep leaving out is just how bad Gabbert played, and im not even talking about his numbers, but actually watching him play.

You either have it or you don't. We could tell right away that Cassel didn't have it. We can also tell that Gabbert doesn't have it either.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-01-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Those with agendas like to have it both ways...

I can only assume you're trolling, because I don't think you're this stupid.

ToxSocks · 08-01-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Those with agendas like to have it both ways...

Indeed.

TRUE franchise QB's don't turn to goo at the slightest hint of a pass rush. Certain things are hard to fix in a QB. Being a Pocket Pussy is one of them.

Gabbert had the worst case of phantom pressure i've EVER seen.

The idea that Chiefs fans wouldn't have patience for a Rookie QB because we can see that Gabbert is the worst QB in his draft class is hilarious.

If our 1st round QB even put up Ponder like production, this fan base would be sucking the teet.

ToxSocks · 08-01-2012, 03:56 PM

Look no further than Ricky Stanzi for teet sucking. The dude had a mediocre Preseason and has since been hailed as the savior.

If the Chiefs had a 1st rnd rookie QB, this fan base would make excuse after excuse for him.

Hell, the whole reason Ricky Stanzi doesn't get a chance to start is because of Haley/Pioli/RAC, right CP?

IT couldn't have ANYTHING to do with him sucking?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-01-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Macho Man

haha. A QB simply has to give the fanbase HOPE. Look at how Chiefs fans latch on to Ricky Stanzi, and you honestly think they wouldn't latch on to their first rookie QB in 30 years?

Yeah ****ing right.

The thing you keep leaving out is just how bad Gabbert played, and im not even talking about his numbers, but actually watching him play.

You either have it or you don't. We could tell right away that Cassel didn't have it. We can also tell that Gabbert doesn't have it either.

He played horribly. And if you go back and look at the archives, you'd see most people thought he should sit a year or two.

Instead, he's thrown into the shittiest situation in the league.

Again, I'm not saying the kid is going to pan out.

I am saying that declaring a QB a bust one year into his career - especially in this situation - is foolish.

And you can't even compare this to Cassel. MC had been in the league for years, and when he got his shot, was surrounded by the most prolific offense of the decade. Getting coached by one of the greatest coaches of this generation.

If your weaknesses are evident while being surrounded by talent and operating a game plan meant to hide those weaknesses, it's safe to say you're probably not a very good QB.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-01-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Macho Man

If our 1st round QB even put up Ponder like production, this fan base would be sucking the teet.

Yet this fanbase calls young QB's like Ponder, Freeman, Sanchez - hell even Matt Ryan - garbage.

So what you're implying is, those QB's would be accepted in KC, but are shit because they play elsewhere?

Yeah, that's an objective way of looking at things.

ToxSocks · 08-01-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He played horribly. And if you go back and look at the archives, you'd see most people thought he should sit a year or two.

Instead, he's thrown into the shittiest situation in the league.

Again, I'm not saying the kid is going to pan out.

I am saying that declaring a QB a bust one year into his career - especially in this situation - is foolish.

And you can't even compare this to Cassel. MC had been in the league for years, and when he got his shot, was surrounded by the most prolific offense of the decade. Getting coached by one of the greatest coaches of this generation.

If your weaknesses are evident while being surrounded by talent and operating a game plan meant to hide those weaknesses, it's safe to say you're probably not a very good QB.

I don't disagree with most of that. I disagree with the notion that this Fan Base wouldn't have the patience for 1st round QB. I think all the evidence points to the contrary. The majority of this fanbase gave Cassel his 3 years. Don't you think they'd give a Rookie just as much or more time than that? The Rookie that they've been dreaming about for the last 20-something years?

If he was failing, they'd make up every excuse in the book.

Bowe doesn't get seperation
Brandon Albert is not a Franchise LT
"X" OC sucks
"X" HC doesn't know how to develop a QB
Some how, it'll be Pioli's fault for not doing enough of something.

You know it's true, lol.

As far as Calling Gabbert a bust.....It walks like a duck, talks like a duck.....

You of all people know that there are certain crucial traits that you want to see out of your QB in his first year....What did Gabbert display that would give fans hope that he is "The Man"?

ToxSocks · 08-01-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yet this fanbase calls young QB's like Ponder, Freeman, Sanchez - hell even Matt Ryan - garbage.

So what you're implying is, those QB's would be accepted in KC, but are shit because they play elsewhere?

Yeah, that's an objective way of looking at things.

Peyton Manning's neck was perfectly healthy till he signed with Denver.....that's just the way it is.

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-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $2125743	Gabbert going down bust avenue So far, Gabbert doesn’t look ready for a leap Posted by Evan Silva on August 1, 2012, 9:24 AM EDT The Jacksonville Jaguars are reeling, and increasingly injured. And the new head coach has never even met the best player on the team. To be kind, the Jaguars’ season is off to a dysfunctional start. There is a quick fix for all of this, though, and we’ve alluded to it before. And conveniently, the guy who can do it is already on the roster. Quarterback Blaine Gabbert can elevate the Jaguars’ 2012 performance if he takes a big leap in year two of his NFL career. Gabbert is the key to Jacksonville’s season. According to ESPN.com AFC South blogger Paul Kuharsky, however, Gabbert’s practice-field performance suggests he is not ready for that sophomore leap. Kuharsky was in attendance for Tuesday’s practice, and wrote that Gabbert “didn’t look like a guy who’s made the big jump.” While Kuharsky guessed that Gabbert’s footwork has improved, the quarterback’s lingering accuracy woes were more noticeable. “You watch it and don’t understand how it still happens,” Kuharsky wrote. “… I didn’t come away from this morning session feeling like he was much more effective than the last time I saw him.” Accuracy and an utter lack of pocket composure were Gabbert’s primary downfalls during one of the worst rookie seasons by a quarterback in league history. It doesn’t sound like he’s corrected the accuracy flaw. We’ll know in Week One whether he’s overcome the pocket fear. The Jaguars face Jared Allen’s Vikings in the season opener. Posted via Mobile Device
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