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Old 08-01-2012, 09:46 AM  
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The short of it, this is NOT a QB driven league.

Say what?

Well here's some interesting facts he threw out there that at least may give you pause. I thought it was interesting series of tweets. The collective CP hive mind may be blown.

Big Ben attempted 16 passes a game in the season he won his first ring.

Is it Big Ben, Eli Manning, Rogers that turned the fortunes of Pittsburgh, NYG, Green Bay around? Seems to me they always been pretty good.

Statistically neither Brady or Big Ben's 23 SB rating screams elite to me at the times they won.

Since Tom Brady has put up elite numbers, his team hasn't won a SB, won 3 with above average numbers. But it's a QB driven league

Ben won with a rating in the 20's in his first SB.

During Pats SB runs with Pioli/Crennel/Daboll the QB rating of Tom Brady never surpassed the rating Cassel posted in 2010.

I disagree...SB have a way of getting spun overwhelmingly in the QB favor, when other factors contributed more at times.

Brady wasn't elite when he won. Like I said, myths. Research and tell me they were elite when they won. what about his second and third? Never had a higher rating than Cassel's 2010 rating...is Cassel elite?

Last 12 years 2 top 5 offenses have won SB, 5 top 10 offenses have won. Same span 5 top 5 defenses have won, 8 top 10 defenses have won SB.

In Big Ben's title runs he led the 15th and 22nd offense along with the 4th and 1st ranked defense...but it's a QB league.

if the offense can be top 10 then I would do backflips...what I am saying...ppl need to quit with the "QB league" mess.

yeah, it's a media spin job...not the statistical support needed to continue perpetuating the myth of "QB win SB".

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@TheFilmRoom Since according to your tweets its not a QB league is it your assertion the Chiefs can go to the SB with Cassel at the helm?

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If San Fran with Alex Smith can knock on the door along with Flacco, and Sanchez then I see it as a possibility.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:01 PM   #61
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What's Brady Quinn's ceiling?

Matt Cassel?
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:01 PM   #62
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I wrote this last year:

http://kan.scout.com/2/1110972.html
In high school my freshman basketball coach got in trouble after the B team lost due to the horrible play of their center. In the locker room the coach looks at him and says, "Willis, you ****ing suck."

The next day Willis quit and his mom complained to the school principal.

Anyway, I hope we have a coach that has the opportunity, and takes it, with Cassel....




note: In the end it worked out well. Willis became the 800m state champ after realizing that he was gifted on the track, not on the court...he never played basketball again.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:11 PM   #63
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I've banged this drum over and over again.

I've defined "Franchise QB" as a guy that makes plays when plays need to be made.

You don't need a QB to put up 4 or 5 thousand yards.

You need a QB that steps up when the game is on the line.

The one commonality about all of the last 10 or 12 SB winners, from Kurt Warner to Ben Roethlisberger to Eli Manning, is those QBs all stepped up and made plays when it mattered most.
I'll take one that makes plays when it matters at all.
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In high school my freshman basketball coach got in trouble after the B team lost due to the horrible play of their center. In the locker room the coach looks at him and says, "Willis, you ****ing suck."
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What's Brady Quinn's ceiling?

Matt Cassel?
Matt Cassel's is a turd in a toilet.

For Quinn, he is either the franchise or one who is getting us a new QB. No in betweens with him IMO.
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For Quinn, he is either the franchise or one who is getting us a new QB. No in betweens with him IMO.
so Quinn's ceiling is "franchise QB."

Toss out a name or two. I want specifics.
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Mark Sanchez last year in the 4th quarter of close games

24 completions 51 attempts 280 yards 47.1% completion 5.49 YPA 3 TDs 2 INTs 7 Sacks 67.4 Rating

You really have to cherry pick games to say that he's proven he can make big plays down the stretch.
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so Quinn's ceiling is "franchise QB."

Toss out a name or two. I want specifics.
This is a baiting question.

I just said he is either going to be our franchise QB or going to get us a new one. Its really pretty simple.
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Mark Sanchez last year in the 4th quarter of close games

24 completions 51 attempts 280 yards 47.1% completion 5.49 YPA 3 TDs 2 INTs 7 Sacks 67.4 Rating

You really have to cherry pick games to say that he's proven he can make big plays down the stretch.
Cherry pick some playoff games he won late, perhaps.
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Cherry pick some playoff games he won late, perhaps.
Playoffs aside, Pro Football Reference has him listed for 9 4th quarter comebacks and 11 game winning drives in his 3 seasons.

As many as Michael Vick has in his entire career.

More than Schaub, Freeman, Cassel, Stafford, Orton, Fitzpatrick, Rodgers, among others.

Tied for 13th among active QB's.

Pretty decent considering he only has three years under his belt.
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Cherry pick some playoff games he won late, perhaps.
He's won 1 late. Other than that, the latest he has had a TD in the 4th quarter in with 7 minutes left.
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Also, that bullshit comeback Elway pulled out of his ass at Arrowhead. 2 TD on the last 2 possessions of the game to win the 4th. Happened in 91 or 92?
which one? felt like he did that to us every ****ing year when I was a kid.
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