Joeckel vs. Alberts

[FRCDFED]

I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands.

Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite.

With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL.

If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Using your scenerio we assume that we resign or franchise Albert. Then how high would Barrett Jones be drafted and is he the best C prospect?

You can probably get the best C prospect in the 3 or 4th round. Jones has a lis franc injury so he'll probably drop.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Our offensive line is 100% SET at Left tackle (Albert only gave up one sack in 11 starts), right guard (Asamoah is a ****ing STUD)and right tackle (Winston is a top five right tackle)...one of the two other spots is owned by Rodney Hudson...an all american left guard at fsu that has center skills...that leaves ONE LINE POSITION that we don't have a very good, young player at.

Left guard or center...to me, I'd like to see them move Hudson back to left guard and for us to draft a good center to finish the OL, but in no way shape or form should that be with the top pick.

We have NOBODY at quarterback and the difference between Geno and what we could get in the second round is significant.

If we come out of our top two picks with Geno and Barrett Jones, ill be a happy camper.

That would be a pretty solid outcome, IMO.

If they drafted Joeckel according to my theory (of keeping both), it would be with the long term (~ a decade or so) in mind. I'm not as sure about Asamoah as you are and I think the jury is still out on Allen. Hopefully at least one of them is actually a long term stud and Hudson comes back strong either at G or C.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by O.city

You can probably get the best C prospect in the 3 or 4th round. Jones has a lis franc injury so he'll probably drop.

Yikes

[O.city]

Originally Posted by patteeu

That would be a pretty solid outcome, IMO.

If they drafted Joeckel according to my theory (of keeping both), it would be with the long term (~ a decade or so) in mind. I'm not as sure about Asamoah as you are and I think the jury is still out on Allen. Hopefully at least one of them is actually a long term stud and Hudson comes back strong either at G or C.

There's just no way you can keep both. Financially and in terms of Albert signing, it won't work.

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[FRCDFED]

Originally Posted by patteeu

That would be a pretty solid outcome, IMO.

If they drafted Joeckel according to my theory (of keeping both), it would be with the long term (~ a decade or so) in mind. I'm not as sure about Asamoah as you are and I think the jury is still out on Allen. Hopefully at least one of them is actually a long term stud and Hudson comes back strong either at G or C.

What are the chances Jones makes it to the 3rd round? IMO we have to address the CB situation in round 2.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by O.city

There's just no way you can keep both. Financially and in terms of Albert signing, it won't work.

Why won't it work? Like I said, you'd only be paying one player legit LT money and the Chiefs have plenty of room under the cap. Teams with less cap room do that all the time.

[BossChief]

Also, on top of all the spots I just mentioned, we also just drafted two college offensive tackles (Don Stephenson and Jeff Allen) with the intent of moving Allen to guard.

That's a total, up to date investment of

1first rounder - Albert (that true fans want to jettison to take a very similar player with the top,pick with Joeckel)
2 2nd rounders (Rodney Hudson and Jeff Allen)
2 3rd rounders (Jon Asamoah and Don Stevenson)
A big free agent contract to Eric Winston

If we add the top overall pick to that list and jettison one of our best players that already mans the position, we are reeruned.

Add a center, or hope Allen pans out at guard and we are set besides a couple late round picks for depth.

It's no mistake that two gms that just got fired would pass on a quarterback for a linemen.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Why won't it work? Like I said, you'd only be paying one player legit LT money and the Chiefs have plenty of room under the cap. Teams with less cap room do that all the time.

Name one team.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Why won't it work? Like I said, you'd only be paying one player legit LT money and the Chiefs have plenty of room under the cap. Teams with less cap room do that all the time.

No they don't. Sorry, but it's just not an idea that will work.


You have to franchise Albert. He's not going to sign on then be moved to guard. If you franchise him, he can sit out.

He doesnt' want to play guard and he probably won't.

[FRCDFED]

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[FRCDFED]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Also, on top of all the spots I just mentioned, we also just drafted two college offensive tackles (Don Stephenson and Jeff Allen) with the intent of moving Allen to guard.

That's a total, up to date investment of

1first rounder - Albert (that true fans want to jettison to take a very similar player with the top,pick with Joeckel)
2 2nd rounders (Rodney Hudson and Jeff Allen)
2 3rd rounders (Jon Asamoah and Don Stevenson)
A big free agent contract to Eric Winston

If we add the top overall pick to that list and jettison one of our best players that already mans the position, we are reeruned.

Add a center, or hope Allen pans out at guard and we are set besides a couple late round picks for depth.

It's no mistake that two gms that just got fired would pass on a quarterback for a linemen.

Good argument. However, we are still faced with two realities:

1. Albert hasn't been resigned yet.

2. "Experts" (lol) think that Joeckel is considered one of the best overall players.

So if we lose him either to unusual demands or refusal to use the tag then we will need another OL in this draft.

[BossChief]

I didn't know he had lisfranc.

Even knowing that, I'd take him in the third....have him immediately have the surgery and sart him off on pup with intentions for him to take over at center or guard my the end of his first season.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Good argument. However, we are still faced with two realities:

1. Albert hasn't been resigned yet.

2. "Experts" (lol) think that Joeckel is considered one of the best overall players.

So if we lose him either to unusual demands or refusal to use the tag then we will need another OL in this draft.

Not counting Jackson or Cassel, the Chiefs are around 40 million under the cap.

They need to reward guys like Albert and Bowe...not create more holes in this roster.

[BossChief]

Taking Joeckel is like trading Albert AND the first overall pick for him.

That's just ridiculous to even fathom.