Who's your guy in the 4th quarter when losing to an above .500 team: Alex or Aa

[Discuss Thrower]

I pulled this link off of Reddit thinking this would be a great source of friendly banter and enlightened discussion. Who's more clutch in a comeback against winning teams? You want Captain Checkdown II- Electric Boogaloo or you want the Discount Double Check guy?

Spoiler!

Here are the numbers:


http://http://www.coldhardfootballfa...chedule/18941/

DISCUS.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

This limited quarterback led his team to a special teams fumble away from the SB.

Will people stop saying this?

Alex Smith sucked ass in that game.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by PGM

How is playing loose and winning 28-24 better than playing clean and winning 17-13?

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Will people stop saying this?

Alex Smith sucked ass in that game.

QBs have bad games... it happens. Crabtree and VD were focused on, and injuries put other scrub receivers on the field for us. Giants defense was on fire at that time. Eli also played a shit game, and was very lucky to not have thrown 2 stupid INTs. Shitty, ugly game by all. That still doesn't lessen my point about what Alex was able to do with a year 1 offense.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I prefer the cerebral QBs that methodically drive the field. The chuck and duck backyard ballers make me feel like I'm watching the AFL.

I prefer QB's that can get the ball in the damn endzone with competence and regularity and has that killer instinct ala Joe Flacco in the SB. Someone who has the ability to make game changing plays. I'll take killer instinct and competence and a 12-4 record any day over your "methodically drive the field" 5-11.

[TheUte]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Will people stop saying this?

Alex Smith sucked ass in that game.

Compare the stats of AS to Eli's, they played basically the same game.

Does that mean Eli sucks also?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

Again, he didn't do this.

49ers third down conversion percentage? Shit.

It's a complete myth that the 49ers defense benefited in ANY way from Alex Smith.

lol. Again where you fail. you are assuming that because the 49ers, regardless of qb, because Kaep struggled on 4th down as well, that the 49ers went 3 and out every possession. We both know that not to be true. Alex Smith over the past two years was number one on 1st down efficiency. You, are either very dumb, or in denial. I see it as somewhere in the middle. There is no way a guy who completes 70 percent of his passes, and has a total qbr, the espn version, not the regular rating, can be rated as high as he was if it is as simple as alex smith sucks on 3rd down, there for he sucks period. Even your bible tells you, that you are incorrect.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

I prefer QB's that can get the ball in the damn endzone with competence and regularity and has that killer instinct ala Joe Flacco in the SB. Someone who has the ability to make game changing plays. I'll take killer instinct and competence and a 12-4 record any day over your "methodically drive the field" 5-11.

Hey Gekko you realize Flacco's playoff an SB run was an epic once in a lifetime streak, like record breaking? It aslo involved a ridiculous streak of busted coverage and WR circus catches.

He has no chance of coming close that again which is why Baltimore giving him the entire bank is hilarious.

[Marcellus]

Clay is getting housed. What up Clay?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Which would be week 10, right?

I'd argue, and would correct myself, that the last 12 games started to show the weakness in the D.

Their pass D became suspect and their pass rush was feast or famine.



It had everything to do with the QB move.

The defense had shown it was no longer dominant and Kap had proven enough to make the HC think he could spark points when there was no play out there.

This year the 49'ERS won't be a top 10 defense. The Squawks and Lambs will both schred them. And they play a 1st place schedule that puts them up vs. the best in the NFC...

It had absolutely nothing to do with the Defense. It had everything to do with taking the governor off of the Offense. That's where the truth is. The defense fell apart because of turnovers, and a coach calling off the dogs way too soon. And then Justin Smith got hurt, and no one picked up the slack. The qb move has zero bearing as to why the defense fell apart down the stretch other than the fact that if you factor in who, and where they played. At New England, at Seattle, Arizona, GB, At Atlanta, and super bowl vs the Ravens. They played some very VERY good offenses. They needed to be able to score when they needed to score. that's why the qb move was made. My whole inclination is that while the ability to score went up with Kaep, the defense got worse, and so did the run game. And the stats back up both of those points.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Fish

Or a coach figured out how to work around their deficiencies. The QB was still averaging less than 200 yards a game during the time you're focusing on, so you can't really claim the player got much better. Your argument still hinges on Harbaugh...

Well, yes, and yes. It hinges on harbaugh. Why? Because he is a guy who wants to run the ball. Did it at Stanford with the best qb in the country, still ran more with Kaep at the controls than they passed. Kaep only had one 300 yard game in his starts. That was the super bowl where he had to pass.

You do the math.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Fish

Yeah.. My mind is poisoned for wanting a QB who can average >200yds passing in a game. All the time you hear Patriots fans and Packer fans and Saints fans complaining about all those passing yards, and yearning for a quaint little 200yd passing day and a 12-7 win. Candy ass passing stats are overrated...

Good point. Especially since Tom Brady hasn't won a super bowl since 2005............Passing yards, clearly are everything.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

As it turned out, Kaep was always going to be "the guy." Sure, we drafted him in rd 2, but Harbaugh scammed Alex really well with his BS. Kaepernick is clearly a more.. explosive weapon at QB.. I get that. That's not so much a knock on Alex as it is a compliment to Kaep.

I just find the razzle dazzle fans annoying. They don't study the game. They just get their rocks off on the big plays.. like stupid little kids with blank looks on their faces.. and well, that's okay... annoying but okay. There is no enforceable blueprint for fans.

I prefer the cerebral QBs that methodically drive the field. The chuck and duck backyard ballers make me feel like I'm watching the AFL.

What made Kaep "The guy" and Alex "Not the guy"? Alex was drafted higher.

It's nothing but talent, and the ability to put up superior passing stats. You simply can't argue anything else. You like to skirt around it and act like Alex was jilted or "Scammed". But the truth is that Kaep is much more talented. QB talent drives the game right now. Harbaugh knows this. You can prefer shitty QBs if you want, that's your prerogative. But it's also the reason you're not a head coach and Harbaugh just took his team to the SB with a guy he benched Smith for. Not sure what "Study" you're doing regarding the current NFL. But a head coach who just took his team to the SB completely disagrees with you, and he happens to be the only person who could get any results out of Alex Smith over the last 8 years. So the guy that knows Alex Smith better than anyone else, decided to replace him. Let that sink in....

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by TheUte

Compare the stats of AS to Eli's, they played basically the same game.

Does that mean Eli sucks also?

Eli Manning has 25 career games of at least 300 yards.

Alex Smith has 3.

Die in a fire.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

As it turned out, Kaep was always going to be "the guy." Sure, we drafted him in rd 2, but Harbaugh scammed Alex really well with his BS. Kaepernick is clearly a more.. explosive weapon at QB.. I get that. That's not so much a knock on Alex as it is a compliment to Kaep.

I just find the razzle dazzle fans annoying. They don't study the game. They just get their rocks off on the big plays.. like stupid little kids with blank looks on their faces.. and well, that's okay... annoying but okay. There is no enforceable blueprint for fans.

I prefer the cerebral QBs that methodically drive the field. The chuck and duck backyard ballers make me feel like I'm watching the AFL.

ehhhhhh. Now, I don't buy that he scammed Alex. Not at all actually. I do believe he believed in Kaep, but nothing Kaep did his first season, which was Alex Smiths first season, led anyone to believe that Kaep was going to be ready as soon as he was. Did Harbs handle the switching over poorly? I think so, but that part of me that thinks that, wants to think well how would Jim Harbaugh the player, of thought of the switch, you know, because you don't lose your job to injury. But, when I thought about it some more, Jim Harbaugh the coach, and actually Ray Ratto put it this way when Jim 'alledgedly" was going after peyton, that its jims job as the head coach, to find the best players, and if peyton manning calls you, and asks you to come see him, you don't say no. He said also that if Jim could find a better player than Patrick Willis, he would. That's what great coaches do.

They gave Kaep a trial run against the bears on Monday night. Had Kaep proven that he wasn't ready, they would of went back to Alex. They gave Kaep another chance against the saints. He was a little erratic because he fumbled the snap 4 times, but between the defense, and big plays, Kaep proved that he could handle it. Kaep, was Jims guy. Alex was his care taker. I think Alex knew that. But what hurt Alex was that by doing the right thing, admitting he had a concussion, Jim in that way, turned his back on him. Business, is cut throat. Loyalty only goes as far as it goes until someone better comes along, then that loyalty leaves.

They say it all the time. When a new regimen comes in, they want their own guy. Andy Reid, has said that Alex Smith is his guy. We will see if that leads to success.

This is after all, the first time since he was drafted someone has put this much faith in Alex Smith.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Fish

What made Kaep "The guy" and Alex "Not the guy"? Alex was drafted higher.

It's nothing but talent, and the ability to put up superior passing stats. You simply can't argue anything else. You like to skirt around it and act like Alex was jilted or "Scammed". But the truth is that Kaep is much more talented. QB talent drives the game right now. Harbaugh knows this. You can prefer shitty QBs if you want, that's your prerogative. But it's also the reason you're not a head coach and Harbaugh just took his team to the SB with a guy he benched Smith for. Not sure what "Study" you're doing regarding the current NFL. But a head coach who just took his team to the SB completely disagrees with you, and he happens to be the only person who could get any results out of Alex Smith over the last 8 years. So the guy that knows Alex Smith better than anyone else, decided to replace him. Let that sink in....

Im not sure if you are seriously asking, or trolling, but I am going to answer this anyways.

Alex Smith, was the only vet qb during the lockout, that Jim Harbaugh could get his playbook to. Kaep, was the young qb that Jim scouted, went to see, met with, learned about, and decided was his qb because he has what Jim has. A work ethic, and desire to compete, just like Jim. Alex doesn't have that. he is a hard worker, but he doesn't have that outward competitiveness like Jim, and Colin have. That is why Colin is Jims guy, and not alex smith.

Do I really need to talk about the arm, the athleticism, and that stuff? Cause I feel we have beaten that poor horse to oblivion.