Chiefs We aren't drafting a WR in the 1st round... - Page 5

Mr_Tomahawk · 03-18-2014, 08:53 PM

• What do you do at receiver now?

“This is just the second week of free agency. There’s still players out there. I think this draft is very deep in terms of wide receivers with skills. So we’re gonna turn over every rock possible as we move forward here. We’ll continue to add to the competitive depth to our roster, and that’s what we do everyday. We come in here and try to find the best possible players we can.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/18...#storylink=cpy

No Beckham.
No Lee.
No Cooks.
Nada...

Say what you want...neither man has a strong track record with wr's in the 1st. It will be either an OL or DL.

Go ahead get angry and cry now...

Mr_Tomahawk · 03-29-2014, 01:18 PM

**BossChief** · 03-29-2014, 03:42 PM

There will be a better DL than Hagemen on the board when we pick.

I think that with the age of Tamba, Dee Ford would be a good pick. He can be a difference making pass rusher and is very good dropping into coverage.

Still think Ansah would have been a great pick last year, though.

**RealSNR** · 03-29-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

OL is now a glaring need. Dorsey is so stupid as not to replace what we lost. I want a WR but it does no good if Smith is getting sacked all the time. If we land Jackson then we should trade down.

Smith's still getting sacked all the time if we throw rookies out there. We haven't had a rookie offensive lineman play worth a squirrel turd in quite some time.

Rodney Hudson has been about as good as it gets.

Marcellus · 03-29-2014, 03:50 PM

HTF do people on CP keep getting a hold of the Chief's draft plans?

You guys are good.

RunKC · 03-29-2014, 03:58 PM

A Bruce Ellington, josh huff or mike Davis would be great additions to the team and can be bad later

Saccopoo · 03-29-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

There will be a better DL than Hagemen on the board when we pick.

I think that with the age of Tamba, Dee Ford would be a good pick. He can be a difference making pass rusher and is very good dropping into coverage.

Still think Ansah would have been a great pick last year, though.

Ansah was a tremendous boom/bust type of guy that you would have crucified the new regime for if he was the pick.

If you want a pass rusher, there are going to be a lot of good ones available with the 3rd or 4th round pick.

Demarcus Lawrence, Boise State
James Gayle, Virginia Tech
Jackson Jeffcoat, Texas
Prince Shembo, Notre Dame
Adrian Hubbard, Alabama
Marcus Smith, Louisville

Are all talented pass rushers.

I'm not completely sold on Dee Ford. Only 12.5 sacks in his college career with 8.5 of those coming last season, which was his second season as a starter.

If I was picking a guy to rush the passer with the #23 selection, I'd take Van Noy or Attaochu before Ford. Van Noy would give you a lot more versatility at a number of positions and I think that Attaochu has a much higher ceiling than Ford.

DTLB58 · 03-29-2014, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

OL is now a glaring need. Dorsey is so stupid as not to replace what we lost. I want a WR but it does no good if Smith is getting sacked all the time. If we land Jackson then we should trade down.

I approve this message.

Wallcrawler · 03-29-2014, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Dude is gonna be a beast

I feel like this guy is going to be much better going back to his natural LT position. I really think he got a bum rap here with his play last season.

This isn't Madden, where you just take your LT and put him at RT and he never misses a beat. Youre basicly doing everything completely opposite from how you spent your entire college career doing everything. The guy was good enough to go number 1 playing LT in college. We expect him to take the next step where everyone he plays against is of high caliber talent, while learning to do shit backwards.

That's KC though. Notorious for drafting dudes who played one position in college and trying to make them play another in the NFL.

Eric Warfield. Drafted as a safety and turned into a miserable cornerback.

William Bartee. Drafted as a saftety and turned into a more miserable cornerback than Warfield.

Dexter McCluster. Drafted as a running back and forced to play WR.

They haven't all been failures, as Tamba Hali's switch to OLB has turned him into a pretty beastly pass rusher, but he's far from a complete linebacker.

Then drafting Fisher at LT and making him play RT.

I think the guy is going to have a much better year this year going back to LT. I think he wins the job easily in camp/pre-season and anchors our line for the next several years, barring any nagging injuries.

DTLB58 · 03-29-2014, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

It's not a huge deal that the Chiefs draft a WR in the first. Dorsey drafted/signed as a UDFA every single WR who caught a pass for the Packers in 2013. And not just in 2013. It's been that way for the team for years now. Probably going back to before they won the Super Bowl, not a single WR hand has caught a pass that wasn't added to the Packers directly from college.

That's pretty ****ing impressive.

I trust Dorsey knows what he's doing when it comes to this WR talent thing.

I just wish I could say the same for offensive linemen. Puke.

What am I missing here? Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb? Every one of these guys were drafted in the 2nd round.

Cmd'r&Chief · 03-29-2014, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

If you are looking for immediate impact then WR is not the way to go especially picking 23 where it is going to be the 4th or so best WR in the draft. It generally takes a couple of years before they have big impacts on games. I think we can get that in the 3rd.
I hope we don't take OL with the 23rd. I think we can surely fill those spots in FA and a 4th rounder.
Pass Rush and CB have a higher probability of having an immediate impact as rookies.

Dorsey said he doesn't reach for positions based on needs. He believes in drafting the best available player. Therefore your theory, though respected, is flawed.

**RealSNR** · 03-29-2014, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

What am I missing here? Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb? Every one of these guys were drafted in the 2nd round.

Rather, he either drafted (ex: Jennings, Jordy, Cobb) or got the guy as an UDFA (ex: Jarrett Boykin). In all cases, those players have only ever played for the Green Bay Packers.

DTLB58 · 03-29-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief

Dorsey said he doesn't reach for positions based on needs. He believes in drafting the best available player. Therefore your theory, though respected, is flawed.

That's a great plan and all and there are a lot of G.M.'s that say they use it but it's to a point.

If @23 the highest rated player on the Chiefs board is a QB do you really think they are taking him in the 1st rd? When we have no 2nd rd pick?
What if it's a LT? After Reid just said they are moving their #1 overall choice of last seasons draft to start there this season. Do they draft another LT?

It's within reason. It's not done blindly. They use some common sense.

DTLB58 · 03-29-2014, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Rather, he either drafted (ex: Jennings, Jordy, Cobb) or got the guy as an UDFA (ex: Jarrett Boykin). In all cases, those players have only ever played for the Green Bay Packers.

Okay, thanks. I was confused. I'm still on pain killers from surgery.

Btw, I told my nephew last pre-season who is a Packer fan, I wish the Chiefs would trade for Boykin before the reg.season started I thought I seen something in him. He said, go ahead you can have him.

I doubt McCarthey would have gave him up. But yeah.

Cmd'r&Chief · 03-29-2014, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

That's a great plan and all and there are a lot of G.M.'s that say they use it but it's to a point.

If @23 the highest rated player on the Chiefs board is a QB do you really think they are taking him in the 1st rd? When we have no 2nd rd pick?
What if it's a LT? After Reid just said they are moving their #1 overall choice of last seasons draft to start there this season. Do they draft another LT?

It's within reason. It's not done blindly. They use some common sense.

I've always assumed the theory means of the positions needed filled. My opinion has always been, There's a portion of the board with positions needed filled, then there are multiple boards with players of those positions, that they feel are the best fit for our scheme. The point is, we won't reach for say tight end because they feel it's our greatest need. They grab the best available player that's left on "our board".

planetdoc · 03-29-2014, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I think that with the age of Tamba, Dee Ford would be a good pick. He can be a difference making pass rusher and is very good dropping into coverage.

dee ford is 6'2'', 252lbs with just under 33'' arms.

the nfl draft profile says this about him

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Undersized -- thin-framed, lacks bulk and anchor strength to dig in vs. the run. Cannot convert speed to power and gets stalled if he cannot work half of a blocker. Struggles to discard blockers when locked up and gets inverted. Not comfortable moving in reverse. Has consistently been dinged with injuries and has never made it through a full season healthy.

I have real questions about his ability to hold up in a 3-4. Tamba is a solid 275lbs. Ford is mentally everything you could ask for in a prospect, but I have some real concerns about projecting him as an everydown backer in a 3-4.

IMO, Dee ford would look really good as a OLB in a 4-3 defense.

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