Chiefs Find the Launch Codes! Alex Smith 6th Best QB Since Week 1! - Page 5

RINGLEADER · 10-20-2014, 12:32 PM

After the terrible performance in week one Alex Smith has the sixth highest passer rating among all NFL QBs with at least 100 passes attempted. His line:

100 of 151 for 1068 yards for 8 TDs and 1 INT and a rating of 101.64.

The comeback win yesterday was a nice outlier that I hope he can duplicate when needed but when we're leading with the rush he's put up some pretty nice performances against the #2, #4, #5, #6, and #12 ranked defenses.

RINGLEADER · 10-20-2014, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

And weighing all statistics the same regardless of time of game and score isnt dumb?

Bottom line, passer rating and QBR both have positives and negatives. Regardless, they are both simply different metrics to judge a particular performance by the QB.

Neither is dumb.

Not what I said, but OK.

DTLB58 · 10-20-2014, 07:09 PM

My beef with Alex is there are still WR's open down field that he isn't even throwing to. Example on the second to the last drive yesterday on third down he had I think it was Jenkins open deep in the middle of the field at about the 5 yard line with the DB trailing. Just throw it ahead of him, there was no safety help, if you are off nobody catches it but AJ. Take the chance. Also, on the same play, I think it was Sherman was curling to the sideline at least 20 yards down field wide open also. What's AS do? He threw it away over Kelce's head out of bounds.
Also, when the rush is around him, he just tucks the ball and immediately takes the sack. He plays scared. Reminds me of Bob Greiese. So many other QB's stand tall, keep their eyes down field, throws the ball and take the big hit but complete the pass.

Yes, the Chiefs receivers suck. But right now the leader of the team, the QB, isn't giving his all either. There is room, lots of room for improvement.

Why the heck wasn't Kelce more in the game plan yesterday? Instead of Hemmingway in the slot dropping passes, Kelce could easily take that spot.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-20-2014, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

My beef with Alex is there are still WR's open down field that he isn't even throwing to. Example on the second to the last drive yesterday on third down he had I think it was Jenkins open deep in the middle of the field at about the 5 yard line with the DB trailing. Just throw it ahead of him, there was no safety help, if you are off nobody catches it but AJ. Take the chance. Also, on the same play, I think it was Sherman was curling to the sideline at least 20 yards down field wide open also. What's AS do? He threw it away over Kelce's head out of bounds.
Also, when the rush is around him, he just tucks the ball and immediately takes the sack. He plays scared. Reminds me of Bob Greiese. So many other QB's stand tall, keep their eyes down field, throws the ball and take the big hit but complete the pass.

Yes, the Chiefs receivers suck. But right now the leader of the team, the QB, isn't giving his all either. There is room, lots of room for improvement.

Why the heck wasn't Kelce more in the game plan yesterday? Instead of Hemmingway in the slot dropping passes, Kelce could easily take that spot.

Pics?

DTLB58 · 10-20-2014, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

We were Super Bowl champs through week 9 last year!

And right now, this D is better than last year's IMO.
No, they aren't getting the turnovers last year's squad did but they are a lot better fundamentally sound. Covering, tackling, not blowing assignments, giving up big plays. And Berry and DJ are a big part of that.
Berry is not good in coverage and DJ the second half of last year and this year was missing a lot of tackles. Big decisions to be made going forward.

Sorter · 10-20-2014, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

My beef with Alex is there are still WR's open down field that he isn't even throwing to. Example on the second to the last drive yesterday on third down he had I think it was Jenkins open deep in the middle of the field at about the 5 yard line with the DB trailing. Just throw it ahead of him, there was no safety help, if you are off nobody catches it but AJ. Take the chance. Also, on the same play, I think it was Sherman was curling to the sideline at least 20 yards down field wide open also. What's AS do? He threw it away over Kelce's head out of bounds.
Also, when the rush is around him, he just tucks the ball and immediately takes the sack. He plays scared. Reminds me of Bob Greiese. So many other QB's stand tall, keep their eyes down field, throws the ball and take the big hit but complete the pass.

Yes, the Chiefs receivers suck. But right now the leader of the team, the QB, isn't giving his all either. There is room, lots of room for improvement.

Why the heck wasn't Kelce more in the game plan yesterday? Instead of Hemmingway in the slot dropping passes, Kelce could easily take that spot.

What's frustrating is that there are times where Alex does the opposite and makes great plays.

I'm hoping that over the 2nd half of the season, there's improvement.

O.city · 10-20-2014, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

What's frustrating is that there are times where Alex does the opposite and makes great plays.

I'm hoping that over the 2nd half of the season, there's improvement.

Do you remember the play he's talking about?

Sorter · 10-20-2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Do you remember the play he's talking about?

I don't but I'll probably be re-watching the game after the Royals tomorrow.

DTLB58 · 10-20-2014, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Pics?

I don't have them nor am I one of those guys that can imbed them.
But when that play happened Solomon Wilcox pointed it out on the replay and still footage quickly before the next play. I'm sure anyone else here that watched the game remembers it. He pointed out the deep receiver, I noticed the middle guy open.

Marcellus · 10-20-2014, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I love when people use stats - much less cherry pick a specific stat- apparently knowing nothing about the "guts" of the statistics itself, and then try to "win" an argument using it.

Passer rating might be the single most ridiculous stat kept in the four major professional sports.

Complete passes and don't turn the ball over and it considers you the love child of Peyton Manning, Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas.

A QB with a game rating of 124.5 had a great day, right?

Completed 78% and threw for 2 TD's and no INT's.

Phenomenal day.

Until you watch the game, and see that he only completed 14 passes for 90 yards and his team lost by 20. (before you accuse me of a hypothetical, this is an actual stat line)

Passer rating is pointless. And please, would one of you who think passer rating is a perfectly acceptable way to judge a QB, yet thinks ESPN's QBR is skewed, explain why.

QBR & Passer Rating both have their flaws.

Its kind of like looking at drops and saying we only drop 2 passes a game no biggie while ignoring that the drops drops seem to always come on 3rd down and killed drives when a catch would have meant a 1st down, a large gain, or possibly a score. A drop on 1st or 2nd down really isn't equal to a drop on 3rd down and 5 or a drop on a 10 yard pass on 3rd and 20.

You have to look at the whole picture and while Smith isn't really a top 5 QB he is pretty damn good at "his" game which has resulted in way more wins than losses for 3 seasons now.

O.city · 10-20-2014, 07:30 PM

If he will just start taking some deep aggressive shots downfield, "his" game will be one that can take us somewhere

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-20-2014, 07:31 PM

I've pointed out the significant flaws in the passer rating stat.

You're like the third guy to claim the QBR stat is flawed, but hasn't bothered to give your opinion why.

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-20-2014, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You weren't arguing with the 'root to lose' crowd, you were arguing with anyone who said anything critical of Castle.

Generally, the sum and substance of your arguments was an endless string of these kind of posts, usually in the game thread, where things were moving too quick to deal an entire game with the 100s of irrelevant images you spammed it with.

You're a liar and a troll and I never spammed anything. All you ever point to is some game thread you got butthurt in once. Put up or **** off: link to my cassel spam or utter asshat Cassel posts, or **** off.

DTLB58 · 10-20-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

What's frustrating is that there are times where Alex does the opposite and makes great plays.

I'm hoping that over the 2nd half of the season, there's improvement.

Usually it's with his feet.

I remember training camp interviews with Doug Pedersen were he said he was really encouraging Alex to throw the ball down field more this season.
We have to be the team in the NFL that has the least amount of downfield penalties thrown against our opponents for D holding/interference ect. Cause we never throw the ball that far. That's how the Chargers went 80 yards in 39 seconds. Completions and penalties. These days it's a 50-50 shot.
I truly think AS got gun shy after he threw 3 picks in the opener against the Titans.

Marcellus · 10-20-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I've pointed out the significant flaws in the passer rating stat.

You're like the third guy to claim the QBR stat is flawed, but hasn't bothered to give your opinion why.

Because it is actually more subjective than the Passer Rating system. Its driven by ESPN who can use "their" analysis to drive whatever scores they want up and down, kind of like CP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Quarterback_Rating

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Unlike the NFL passer rating, ESPN has not yet been forthcoming on the exact specific formulas and procedures to calculate QBR.^[5] The proprietary, complex methodology spans some 10,000 lines of code.^[6] In an interview with San Diego's XX Sports Radio, San Diego Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers seemed baffled by the ratings, which put him ninth overall in its metrics for the 2010 season, saying "I still don't get it. I think it's more complicated now".^[7]^[8]
In an op-ed piece published by Deadspin, they opine that the clutch index component of the QBR "looks like a weirdly applied version of baseball's leverage metric and which, tellingly, is the sort of mindless branding you get when the network of 'Who's Now' starts dicking around with numbers.".^[9] And The Baltimore Sun's Matt Vensel wrote, "I can’t say the new rating system ... is any better. And that's because I don’t really understand or care to understand how Total Quarterback Rating works".^[10]
Michael David Smith of Profootballtalk.com explained the major drawback of QBR:^[11]

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One of the aspects of Total QBR that could be both a strength and a drawback is that it considers data that the average fan doesn’t have access to, like how far a pass travels in the air, and whether the quarterback was under pressure when he threw it ... it means fans can't see for themselves exactly where Total QBR comes from — fans just have to trust that the distance the ball traveled was correctly measured, and how much pressure the quarterback felt on the play was correctly assessed ... If ESPN is committed to this stat and is able to clearly and concisely explain it on the Worldwide Leader’s NFL broadcasts, then fans will quickly become familiar with it and it will soon become a staple of how we talk about quarterbacks. On the other hand, if the stat comes across as too convoluted — or if it doesn’t really seem like much of an improvement on the current passer rating — then this will all feel like a rather pointless exercise.

Simplicity · 10-20-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

I am glad we have an elite QB now.

We should stop a mudhole in our next three opponents.

BRING ON THE BUG

Do you ever wonder what it's like? Playing football? I mean just by the way you post and go about things, it seems like you've never got to experience playing the game of football and I'm sorry for that.

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