***Official other games preseason gamethread***

[RunKC]

Aka "let's see how DeShaun Watson, Christian McCaffrey and Curtis Samuel look gamethread".

[RealSNR]

Here's my honest take on Watson.

He could have a legendary CFL career. And I don't mean that as a disparaging way. Ask Doug Flutie if he values his CFL career and what it enabled him to do in the NFL as a backup/part time starter for a few teams here and there.

I envision Watson being like Doug Flutie. He's taller, so he'll have an easier time, but in terms of arm strength/velocity and downfield accuracy? Combined with their mobility? They're basically the same player.

Nothing wrong with that. In the meantime, however, he's got a ways to go if he wants to be Doug Flutie. And is that REALLY what you want out of your QB you traded up 20 spots to draft? A guy whose ceiling is Doug Flutie?

That's why I'm bashing him. He's not going to be a good NFL QB. He'll be an ELECTRIC CFL QB, perhaps even a legend. But that's about all I ever see him doing.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I think the Watson/Alex comparison has some validity. Similar skill sets. Watson looks like he could certainly be a threat to run (as seen tonight).

It all comes back to his arm though. Is it as bad as the numbers suggest?

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Here's my honest take on Watson.

He could have a legendary CFL career. And I don't mean that as a disparaging way. Ask Doug Flutie if he values his CFL career and what it enabled him to do in the NFL as a backup/part time starter for a few teams here and there.

I envision Watson being like Doug Flutie. He's taller, so he'll have an easier time, but in terms of arm strength/velocity and downfield accuracy? Combined with their mobility? They're basically the same player.

Nothing wrong with that. In the meantime, however, he's got a ways to go if he wants to be Doug Flutie. And is that REALLY what you want out of your QB you traded up 20 spots to draft? A guy whose ceiling is Doug Flutie?

That's why I'm bashing him. He's not going to be a good NFL QB. He'll be an ELECTRIC CFL QB, perhaps even a legend. But that's about all I ever see him doing.

Watson is similar to Smitty. However Smitty is a good QB.

[KS Smitty]

Originally Posted by penbrook

I know it's not likely but what if Mahomes overthrows a deep receiver?

Not asking you specifically but, is it better for him to overthrow a deep receiver or risk the interception?

[vailpass]

Got tix to the Cards Raiders preseason game on Saturday. Looking forward to seeing a brief peek at the Fade.
Feeling the burn for regular season kick off.

[tk13]

We've had these discussions going back to the Mike Martz days, but I have never believed playmaking offsets INTs. It just doesn't. Tom Brady threw 2 interceptions last year. Two. Dos.

Russell Wilson threw 9 INT the year he won, and he didn't throw a single INT in the playoffs. Joe Flacco had one of the great postseasons of all time when he won. Didn't throw a single INT in the playoffs.

The only recent example otherwise is Peyton Manning. He was horrible the year Denver won a title, and he really didn't do anything to offset all his INTs. It was pretty the anti-example of the idea that QBs alone win titles.

Meanwhile, Brett Favre only won a single title. He sure helped end a few playoff runs with his INTs though.

[JakeF]

Deshaun Watson looks pretty good.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by tk13

We've had these discussions going back to the Mike Martz days, but I have never believed playmaking offsets INTs. It just doesn't. Tom Brady threw 2 interceptions last year. Two. Dos.

Russell Wilson threw 9 INT the year he won, and he didn't throw a single INT in the playoffs. Joe Flacco had one of the great postseasons of all time when he won. Didn't throw a single INT in the playoffs.

The only recent example otherwise is Peyton Manning. He was horrible the year Denver won a title, and he really didn't do anything to offset all his INTs. It was pretty the anti-example of the idea that QBs alone win titles.

Meanwhile, Brett Favre only won a single title. He sure helped end a few playoff runs with his INTs though.

How many of those playoff-ending INTs were unforced? How many were when the team's back was against the wall?

Brett Favre with his back against the wall would rather take a risk and lose the game. Alex Smith won't throw the pick, but also won't make the winning play.

Pick your poison. Do you want the cyanide or the hemlock?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by tk13

We've had these discussions going back to the Mike Martz days, but I have never believed playmaking offsets INTs. It just doesn't. Tom Brady threw 2 interceptions last year. Two. Dos.

Russell Wilson threw 9 INT the year he won, and he didn't throw a single INT in the playoffs. Joe Flacco had one of the great postseasons of all time when he won. Didn't throw a single INT in the playoffs.

The only recent example otherwise is Peyton Manning. He was horrible the year Denver won a title, and he really didn't do anything to offset all his INTs. It was pretty the anti-example of the idea that QBs alone win titles.

Meanwhile, Brett Favre only won a single title. He sure helped end a few playoff runs with his INTs though.

I'd say TDs do a shit ton to mitigate INTs, but if you're just talking about explosive plays and the like then I'd probably agree.

A TD is automatically 6 points for your squad. An INT, especially with a defense like ours, may only lead to points for the other team sometimes.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Watching Watson right now from the game earlier. On passes where receivers/TEs are getting wide open, he has looked good. He has struggled with tight window throws so far, though.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by tk13

We've had these discussions going back to the Mike Martz days, but I have never believed playmaking offsets INTs. It just doesn't. Tom Brady threw 2 interceptions last year. Two. Dos.

Russell Wilson threw 9 INT the year he won, and he didn't throw a single INT in the playoffs. Joe Flacco had one of the great postseasons of all time when he won. Didn't throw a single INT in the playoffs.

The only recent example otherwise is Peyton Manning. He was horrible the year Denver won a title, and he really didn't do anything to offset all his INTs. It was pretty the anti-example of the idea that QBs alone win titles.

Meanwhile, Brett Favre only won a single title. He sure helped end a few playoff runs with his INTs though.

Yeah but you're painting a black and white picture. You're making it seem like it's one or the other.

For example, you referenced Brady. In Superbowl, he threw a pick 6 thatput them down 3 scores. But he's a playmaker so he was able to offset that later on in the game. As long as you can make plays, you can make up for interceptions. If Osweiler was throwing 30TDs a year, even with the interceptions he would be considered a top QB.
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[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by penbrook

I know it's not likely but what if Mahomes overthrows a deep receiver?

Then it is because he has a cannon for an arm.. "Look at that arm strength!"

j/k

[Kiimo]

I don't fall under the category that Alex Smith sucks, I like Smith and think he's above average and his career wins stand out as the only thing outstanding about him.

That said THANK GOD we didn't take Watson because I don't want to have the same Alex Smith conversations for the next decade with the same retread arguments.

And adding in a bunch of interceptions with his 49 velocity. Alex was 55 in the combine and Mahomes 60 and whew. That's nice. Watson will take years to avoid costly picks.

[KChiefs1]

NFLN is showing live look-in's.

[jjchieffan]

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Talent doesn't really matter. Competitive spirit, obsession with learning/improving, and confidence are the most important traits for a franchise QB.

You forgot to mention the ability to cheat and get away with it. But in Donko land, I guess that description can be applied to everyone on the team. And I don't mean just the players. Also, the coaches and especially ElFraud himself. Let's say the Donk motto together KnowShit. Ready? On 3, 1,2,3..


Just Cheat Baby!!