Movies and TV Jack Ryan TV Series - Page 5

listopencil · 12-23-2022, 06:59 PM

The thing about dingleberries is that you can easily avoid them.

**Bowser** · 12-24-2022, 09:25 PM

I've enjoyed this season so far (six eps in). Looking forward to how they try and put a bow on it all.

I want Mike November's "retirement" villa.

Molitoth · 12-29-2022, 08:10 AM

I'm Loving season 3 so far (Ep 4).

InChiefsHeaven · 12-29-2022, 10:19 AM

This was my least favorite season. It's weird, to me he's not being Jack Ryan...he's more Jason Bourne or something. Eh. I enjoyed it, but definitely trending down in my view.

Molitoth · 12-30-2022, 08:42 AM

So far I haven't seen one super unrealistic car chase, or someone shooting a lock open with a gun... so that is a win!

My one gripe is that the characters in the show travel around from country to country really freaking fast without many quick scenes thrown in to show how.

mr. tegu · 12-31-2022, 12:57 AM

Just finished and I had the same reaction to the Jason Bourne theme it seems others did. Not a big fan of it for this character but fine I guess because that stuff can be fun. I think my main complaint is it was just a little too loose and not tight and buttoned up around the edges. Kind of a lot of scenes like “really guys?” For one, how many times they going to go breaking into some location completely outnumbered shooting and causing a ruckus as opposed to being discrete and not requiring miracle escapes?

A few specific things that took me out of some scenes were when

Spoiler!

But overall I liked it because it was decent action and spy type stuff. Certainly better than a lot of what comes out streaming these days.

DJ's left nut · 01-11-2023, 09:44 AM

I guess where I've gotten on this is that I don't understand at ALL why it needed to involve Jack Ryan.

Stand alone, it's a good show. But they paid for a name. They didn't use ANY of the IP. This isn't recognizable in any way.

I mean let's just start with Jack's entry into the CIA. The dude was a multi-millionaire retired stock trader who's teaching history and living on a cliffside mansion. He's in London with his family when he ends up in the middle of an assassination plot against the Royal family. Things develop, he ends up an 'asset' and slowly drawn into part-time analysis with the CIA. He proves himself and becomes a baller agent.

In the show, he's a geeky cubicle dwelling single systems analyst with a shitty beltway apartment.

In the books he has an almost father/son relationship with Admiral Greer who is essentially the Presidents right hand in the military. In the show he meets Greer when Greer is a burnout on the decline in the agency and has an antagonistic relationship before they become peers.

None of the ancillary characters exist in the books, nor do any of the book characters exist in the show. The Foleys, Clark, Mancuso, Robby Jackson, Dan Murray, Scott Adler...hell, Cathy Ryan barely exists here and she's a central figure in the novels. And the only character thus far that could hang with any of the book characters is Mike. And even still, he's mostly a watered down Murray. Meanwhile Clark, Jackson, Mancuso and the Foleys are great in the books.

I don't mind that the stories don't mesh because...cool - tell new stories. I'm good with that.

But they didn't use ANY of the back story of the character. Worse, they flip the back story so far on its head that it makes him almost the opposite of who he is in the books. Shit, in the show he's essentially Ding Chavez. His traits are completely different. His strengths/weaknesses are different. His underlying philosophy and ethos (the 'Ryan Doctrine') essentially don't exist.

I mean they just borrowed a name and scrapped everything else.

I think the show is entertaining, don't get me wrong. It just has absolutely NOTHING to do with Jack Ryan. Had Disney purchased the Star Wars IP, made a show called "Skywalker" and then made him an Imperial Senator or something, it wouldn't have been much different. I just don't quite understand it so I'm left with pure cycnicism - they know the public has the attention span of a gnat so they had to put a 'known name' on the project to get it made.

It was done strictly as a bait and switch.

|Zach| · 01-11-2023, 07:51 PM

I know what I am going to get with this series and I still enjoy the hell out of it every season.

stumppy · 01-11-2023, 08:08 PM

This season was OK I guess. Way too many contrived situations, like how convenient that when the guy you have under surveillance get's taken away in a van that's parked right in front of your car. Way too much bullshit used to make the story work.

I swear, by the final 3 episodes I was fully expecting to see Ryan wearing a cape and flying to the rescue.

Molitoth · 01-12-2023, 10:28 AM

I suppose I'm glad I've never read any Jack Ryan books, because I enjoy the series for what it is, and had zero expectations about Ryans character.

DJ's left nut · 01-12-2023, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth

I suppose I'm glad I've never read any Jack Ryan books, because I enjoy the series for what it is, and had zero expectations about Ryans character.

I think that's probably right.

Like I said, it was a hell of a bait and switch.

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12-24-2022, 09:25 PM	#2
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12-29-2022, 08:10 AM	#3
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12-29-2022, 10:19 AM	#4
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12-30-2022, 08:42 AM	#5
Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $2654969	So far I haven't seen one super unrealistic car chase, or someone shooting a lock open with a gun... so that is a win! My one gripe is that the characters in the show travel around from country to country really freaking fast without many quick scenes thrown in to show how.
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12-31-2022, 12:57 AM	#6
mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $1501300	Jack Ryan TV Series Just finished and I had the same reaction to the Jason Bourne theme it seems others did. Not a big fan of it for this character but fine I guess because that stuff can be fun. I think my main complaint is it was just a little too loose and not tight and buttoned up around the edges. Kind of a lot of scenes like “really guys?” For one, how many times they going to go breaking into some location completely outnumbered shooting and causing a ruckus as opposed to being discrete and not requiring miracle escapes? A few specific things that took me out of some scenes were when Spoiler! Wright says she doesn’t want to know Jacks plan to get in Matoksa but in the next scene she is apparently leading the operation and provided another operative as well as a chopper for backup. Just sloppy and trying for some cool dialogue that ends up meaningless. The worst offense that makes no sense for characters has to be the tunnel scene. The soldiers block the road and then are expected to run the rest of the way. First off, why bother slowing down to let the guy catch up? That was pointless. But worse, why on earth would they not have another truck stay with them to drive them out of the tunnel instead of making them run. I mean I get why, so Jack could save them, but it’s just dumb. They let the bad guy get closer for no reason and then figured it was a good idea to try to outrun the truck as opposed to just being driven out by one that was already there anyways. Just irritating. But overall I liked it because it was decent action and spy type stuff. Certainly better than a lot of what comes out streaming these days.
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01-11-2023, 09:44 AM	#7
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2519099	I guess where I've gotten on this is that I don't understand at ALL why it needed to involve Jack Ryan. Stand alone, it's a good show. But they paid for a name. They didn't use ANY of the IP. This isn't recognizable in any way. I mean let's just start with Jack's entry into the CIA. The dude was a multi-millionaire retired stock trader who's teaching history and living on a cliffside mansion. He's in London with his family when he ends up in the middle of an assassination plot against the Royal family. Things develop, he ends up an 'asset' and slowly drawn into part-time analysis with the CIA. He proves himself and becomes a baller agent. In the show, he's a geeky cubicle dwelling single systems analyst with a shitty beltway apartment. In the books he has an almost father/son relationship with Admiral Greer who is essentially the Presidents right hand in the military. In the show he meets Greer when Greer is a burnout on the decline in the agency and has an antagonistic relationship before they become peers. None of the ancillary characters exist in the books, nor do any of the book characters exist in the show. The Foleys, Clark, Mancuso, Robby Jackson, Dan Murray, Scott Adler...hell, Cathy Ryan barely exists here and she's a central figure in the novels. And the only character thus far that could hang with any of the book characters is Mike. And even still, he's mostly a watered down Murray. Meanwhile Clark, Jackson, Mancuso and the Foleys are great in the books. I don't mind that the stories don't mesh because...cool - tell new stories. I'm good with that. But they didn't use ANY of the back story of the character. Worse, they flip the back story so far on its head that it makes him almost the opposite of who he is in the books. Shit, in the show he's essentially Ding Chavez. His traits are completely different. His strengths/weaknesses are different. His underlying philosophy and ethos (the 'Ryan Doctrine') essentially don't exist. I mean they just borrowed a name and scrapped everything else. I think the show is entertaining, don't get me wrong. It just has absolutely NOTHING to do with Jack Ryan. Had Disney purchased the Star Wars IP, made a show called "Skywalker" and then made him an Imperial Senator or something, it wouldn't have been much different. I just don't quite understand it so I'm left with pure cycnicism - they know the public has the attention span of a gnat so they had to put a 'known name' on the project to get it made. It was done strictly as a bait and switch. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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01-11-2023, 07:51 PM	#8
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01-11-2023, 08:08 PM	#9
stumppy New and Improved Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Springfield, Mo. Casino cash: $998590	This season was OK I guess. Way too many contrived situations, like how convenient that when the guy you have under surveillance get's taken away in a van that's parked right in front of your car. Way too much bullshit used to make the story work. I swear, by the final 3 episodes I was fully expecting to see Ryan wearing a cape and flying to the rescue. __________________ “As a nation, we can endure damaging policies for a four-year term. But we cannot survive a president willing to terminate our Constitution”
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01-12-2023, 10:28 AM	#10
Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $2654969	I suppose I'm glad I've never read any Jack Ryan books, because I enjoy the series for what it is, and had zero expectations about Ryans character.
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