Movies and TV The Future of the Entertainment Industry

Amnorix · 02-15-2018, 03:13 PM

This thread is being started as a spin-off (see what i did there) from the NFL ratings decline thread in the Lounge. Trying to take advantage of Dane's knowledge of the industry, I asked what the future of movie-making is, given the shift in demographics and how younger generations are receiving content.

I also wondered whether movie theaters would go the way of the dodo, or more specifically Blockbuster, and my kids would be telling their kids about how they used to exist but now don't.

banecat · 02-15-2018, 03:38 PM

I only watch blockbusters at a theater. And with how many of them are turning into places that serve gourmet food, mixed drinks on recliners it could keep them in business a little longer than if they hadn't tried a transition. Network television is funny they're really trying to become basic cable with how they format their shows. And with how they cast as I only see promos while watching sports. I did catch an episode of Discovery. The opening titles reminded me of a cross between season one of True Detective, and Westworld.

Netflix is interesting as it seems they their competitors have tried to box them out, but it didn't work. I wonder how long they can outbid everyone for the shows that they do steal away from other channels. A lot of their material is available for rent on other forums. Amazon has the inside edge with renting what doesn't come with a membership, offering music, and being propped up by an online retailer the likes that hasn't been seen yet.

It's interesting to watch how it all has changed. And how it continues to change so quickly. And how much it will still be changing. Just in the networks with being so mammoth it'll be interesting to see how long they move so slowly, or if they adapt better eventually. I'm not sure how long game shows, reality shows, cop drama, court drama, fire and rescue drama, and the like can sustain them

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-15-2018, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by banecat

I only watch blockbusters at a theater. And with how many of them are turning into places that serve gourmet food, mixed drinks on recliners it could keep them in business a little longer than if they hadn't tried a transition.

We've had those types of accomodations for more than 15 years in Hollywood.

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Originally Posted by banecat

Network television is funny they're really trying to become basic cable with how they format their shows. And with how they cast as I only see promos while watching sports.

This is false. Due to FCC regulations, Over-The-Air broadcast networks will never compete with cable or streaming services due to content, violence, sex and language restrictions.

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Originally Posted by banecat

I did catch an episode of Discovery. The opening titles reminded me of a cross between season one of True Detective, and Westworld.

That's because CBS has created their own streaming service, which isn't regulated like OTA broadcast networks by the FCC. All of the CBS All Access programming is available via Netflix X-US.

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Originally Posted by banecat

Netflix is interesting as it seems they their competitors have tried to box them out, but it didn't work. I wonder how long they can outbid everyone for the shows that they do steal away from other channels.

Steal away? Netflix licenses content that they don't create from the Original Content Creator/owners of the IP.

The Netflix "End Game" is create enough original content to lure subscribers and not so much about licensing other big name content. As of 2019, all of the Disney content moves to Disney's new streaming service.

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Originally Posted by banecat

A lot of their material is available for rent on other forums. Amazon has the inside edge with renting what doesn't come with a membership, offering music, and being propped up by an online retailer the likes that hasn't been seen yet.

I don't even understand what you're stating here.

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Originally Posted by banecat

I'm not sure how long game shows, reality shows, cop drama, court drama, fire and rescue drama, and the like can sustain them

Are you kidding me? Reality TV is going NO WHERE. As for typical Broadcast Network fare, networks will continue to air those types of shows as long as there's a huge audience (i.e., Advertising dollars).

banecat · 02-15-2018, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

We've had those types of accomodations for more than 15 years in Hollywood.

I'm not sure of how long they've been available out here in the Midwest, or In SE Texas where I spent last year

This is false. Due to FCC regulations, Over-The-Air broadcast networks will never compete with cable or streaming services due to content, violence, sex and language restrictions.

I only see ads for the shows if I watch a game. It could be how they're marketing them. Making them appear more like a show on basic cable. They will as they have always pressed their boundaries as far as content. Without getting this kicked over to DC, I wonder how long they push their limits before they say **** it, and just pay the fines with how much ratings would skyrocket at least for awhile, or if society's standards can get to a point where either few are offended. Or don't care about such trivial issues

That's because CBS has created their own streaming service, which isn't regulated like OTA broadcast networks by the FCC. All of the CBS All Access programming is available via Netflix X-US.

Steal away? Netflix licenses content that they don't create from the Original Content Creator/owners of the IP.

The Netflix "End Game" is create enough original content to lure subscribers and not so much about licensing other big name content. As of 2019, all of the Disney content moves to Disney's new streaming service.

Yes, I misspoke or mistyped. I don't follow it closely enough. But what I've heard is that for a long time Netflix snatched up what a lot of other companies were passing up. Once they were successful enough they started outbidding the same companies. You'll be able to answer when or if it has happened as to if they're in the same league and people will or are just choosing to work with them

I don't even understand what you're stating here.

When I had Prime I could rent everything from Netflix like House of Cards or OITNB only a season behind. Similar to YouTube offering the same deal

Are you kidding me? Reality TV is going NO WHERE. As for typical Broadcast Network fare, networks will continue to air those types of shows as long as there's a huge audience (i.e., Advertising dollars).

True. Whatever the ratings are showing where advertising dollars will be best spent. Maybe they'll eventually show wrestling seven days a week

**BigRedChief** · 02-17-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by banecat

with how many of them are turning into places that serve gourmet food, mixed drinks on recliners it could keep them in business a little longer than if they hadn't tried a transition.

It makes a difference to me whether they have the recliner seats. Every theatre in my area now has the those seats but the one closest to me. Its in a high end part of town and always busy. I guess they are thinking why spend the money to upgrade? I will drive 20-30 minutes father to go to a better theater.

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Originally Posted by banecat

Netflix is interesting as it seems they their competitors have tried to box them out, but it didn't work.

Its about competition. Netflix is spending money on better quality shows, paying top $ to comedians(first Chris Rock,Chappele special in 15 years), getting better actors/Directors for their original content. Everyone of these major entertainment players want their own online streaming option. If it wasn't for this, we'd still be seeing 75% of their original content being unknown actors talking about their feelings in low budget productions.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-18-2018, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Its about competition. Netflix is spending money on better quality shows, paying top $ to comedians(first Chris Rock,Chappele special in 15 years), getting better actors/Directors for their original content. Everyone of these major entertainment players want their own online streaming option. If it wasn't for this, we'd still be seeing 75% of their original content being unknown actors talking about their feelings in low budget productions.

Netflix is going full bore on original content, especially with their Disney deal ending in 2019.

The idea for them is to become like HBO: Excellent original entertainment that can't be found elsewhere while licensing blockbuster films.

**BigRedChief** · 02-18-2018, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Netflix is going full bore on original content, especially with their Disney deal ending in 2019.

The idea for them is to become like HBO: Excellent original entertainment that can't be found elsewhere while licensing blockbuster films.

I thought Godless was the best cinematography on made for TV I’ve ever seen. Altered Carbon was the best special effects so far for original content on Netflix.

Ive been with Netflix since the DVD rental days. They have stepped up the quality of their recently released original content. Competition is a good thing. It pushes everyone to make a better product.

Dayze · 02-15-2018, 03:58 PM

I couldn't tell you the last time I went to see a movie in a theater. The last one that I definitely remember is "The Departed". I know there's been another since then because I remember leaving our current residence to go see it (and we've only been in this place 6 years).....but I can't for the life of me remember what movie it was.

I usually grab them off Red Box.
Netflix pretty much blows in terms of recent theater movies, IMO. but good for documentaries, comedy specials, shows, Netflix Originals etc.

we used to have all the movie channels on our DTV, but they too began to suck out loud. 2 years ago we downgraded to only HBO, and we're thinking of dropping that as well. Same old movies; never seems like there's anything 'new' per se. I'm sure there are, it just doesn't seem like it.

I won't say I'll never go to a theater again, but man....I haven't seen anything advertised that made me think "man, I gotta go see this". Sad. I used to love going - but price vs. quality of movie has been out of whack for me for quite a while.

bowener · 02-15-2018, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

I couldn't tell you the last time I went to see a movie in a theater. The last one that I definitely remember is "The Departed". I know there's been another since then because I remember leaving our current residence to go see it (and we've only been in this place 6 years).....but I can't for the life of me remember what movie it was.

I usually grab them off Red Box.
Netflix pretty much blows in terms of recent theater movies, IMO. but good for documentaries, comedy specials, shows, Netflix Originals etc.

we used to have all the movie channels on our DTV, but they too began to suck out loud. 2 years ago we downgraded to only HBO, and we're thinking of dropping that as well. Same old movies; never seems like there's anything 'new' per se. I'm sure there are, it just doesn't seem like it.

I won't say I'll never go to a theater again, but man....I haven't seen anything advertised that made me think "man, I gotta go see this". Sad. I used to love going - but price vs. quality of movie has been out of whack for me for quite a while.

There is a thread on this, but consider getting moviepass. Drop HBO and use that money to get two moviepasses. It should be nearly the exact same cost overall. You can see a movie a day for $9 a month. It is fantastic. I've been going to the theater to watch films I normally wouldn't spend money on and to watch rereleases of older films like Jaws or Alien. You can use moviepass and still get rewards on your theater's loyalty program as well, which means every couple of films you see, you get some free popcorn and drinks.

Dayze · 02-15-2018, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

There is a thread on this, but consider getting moviepass. Drop HBO and use that money to get two moviepasses. It should be nearly the exact same cost overall. You can see a movie a day for $9 a month. It is fantastic. I've been going to the theater to watch films I normally wouldn't spend money on and to watch rereleases of older films like Jaws or Alien. You can use moviepass and still get rewards on your theater's loyalty program as well, which means every couple of films you see, you get some free popcorn and drinks.

thanks mang. I need to look into it.

Mephistopheles Janx · 02-15-2018, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

thanks mang. I need to look into it.

Already a (short) thread here about it...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=313921

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-15-2018, 04:09 PM

The major studios have discussed a "Video On Demand" service that would allow people to see newly released feature films within weeks of the initial release but decided against it.

While ticket sales were down 6% from 2016, it can partially be due to the fact that 2017 didn't offer any blockbuster films, outside of The Last Jedi (which came in way short of expectations). Next year should be markedly better, with Solo, Avengers, Ant-Man & Wasp, etc.

But keep in mind, Box Office revenues were still $11.1 billion dollars, and that doesn't include the billions of dollars generated by the theater chains and exhibitors.

Overall box office attendance peaked in 2002, so this isn't a brand new trend. But as theaters continue to upgrade their sound systems, seating and concessions (more and more are serving alcohol, have built-in restaurants, pre-sale seats and more), nothing can truly replace the movie theater experience.

**notorious** · 02-19-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The major studios have discussed a "Video On Demand" service that would allow people to see newly released feature films within weeks of the initial release but decided against it.

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I would love to see this, but pirating would destroy their revenue since one stream could be ripped and offered to everyone for free.

Sucks, but I think that’s what scares them.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-19-2018, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

I would love to see this, but pirating would destroy their revenue since one stream could be ripped and offered to everyone for free.

Sucks, but I think that’s what scares them.

Pirating isn’t the only issue. Putting the Exhibitors out of business isn’t exactly the byproduct they want.

In addition, the major studios would be devaluing their product by allowing same day VOD.

It’s a very complex issue.

**BigRedChief** · 02-19-2018, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Pirating isn’t the only issue. Putting the Exhibitors out of business isn’t exactly the byproduct they want.

l don’t see any way that movie theatres go away anytime soon. How else are the studios going to make a BILLION$’s on a movie without theatres?

02-15-2018, 03:13 PM	Topic Starter
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	The Future of the Entertainment Industry This thread is being started as a spin-off (see what i did there) from the NFL ratings decline thread in the Lounge. Trying to take advantage of Dane's knowledge of the industry, I asked what the future of movie-making is, given the shift in demographics and how younger generations are receiving content. I also wondered whether movie theaters would go the way of the dodo, or more specifically Blockbuster, and my kids would be telling their kids about how they used to exist but now don't.
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02-15-2018, 03:38 PM	#2
banecat Banned Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Johnson County, Kansa Casino cash: $10000400	I only watch blockbusters at a theater. And with how many of them are turning into places that serve gourmet food, mixed drinks on recliners it could keep them in business a little longer than if they hadn't tried a transition. Network television is funny they're really trying to become basic cable with how they format their shows. And with how they cast as I only see promos while watching sports. I did catch an episode of Discovery. The opening titles reminded me of a cross between season one of True Detective, and Westworld. Netflix is interesting as it seems they their competitors have tried to box them out, but it didn't work. I wonder how long they can outbid everyone for the shows that they do steal away from other channels. A lot of their material is available for rent on other forums. Amazon has the inside edge with renting what doesn't come with a membership, offering music, and being propped up by an online retailer the likes that hasn't been seen yet. It's interesting to watch how it all has changed. And how it continues to change so quickly. And how much it will still be changing. Just in the networks with being so mammoth it'll be interesting to see how long they move so slowly, or if they adapt better eventually. I'm not sure how long game shows, reality shows, cop drama, court drama, fire and rescue drama, and the like can sustain them
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Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $1949358	I couldn't tell you the last time I went to see a movie in a theater. The last one that I definitely remember is "The Departed". I know there's been another since then because I remember leaving our current residence to go see it (and we've only been in this place 6 years).....but I can't for the life of me remember what movie it was. I usually grab them off Red Box. Netflix pretty much blows in terms of recent theater movies, IMO. but good for documentaries, comedy specials, shows, Netflix Originals etc. we used to have all the movie channels on our DTV, but they too began to suck out loud. 2 years ago we downgraded to only HBO, and we're thinking of dropping that as well. Same old movies; never seems like there's anything 'new' per se. I'm sure there are, it just doesn't seem like it. I won't say I'll never go to a theater again, but man....I haven't seen anything advertised that made me think "man, I gotta go see this". Sad. I used to love going - but price vs. quality of movie has been out of whack for me for quite a while. __________________ Life is 99% inspiration, 1% Perspiration, and 1% Attention to Detial. RIP & Godspeed: Saccoppo Lonewolf Ed Fire Me Boy
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	The major studios have discussed a "Video On Demand" service that would allow people to see newly released feature films within weeks of the initial release but decided against it. While ticket sales were down 6% from 2016, it can partially be due to the fact that 2017 didn't offer any blockbuster films, outside of The Last Jedi (which came in way short of expectations). Next year should be markedly better, with Solo, Avengers, Ant-Man & Wasp, etc. But keep in mind, Box Office revenues were still $11.1 billion dollars, and that doesn't include the billions of dollars generated by the theater chains and exhibitors. Overall box office attendance peaked in 2002, so this isn't a brand new trend. But as theaters continue to upgrade their sound systems, seating and concessions (more and more are serving alcohol, have built-in restaurants, pre-sale seats and more), nothing can truly replace the movie theater experience.
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