Leaving 6 mil in Lamar's pockets instead of using it on the field

[BigRedChief]

The leaving 6 million under the cap is pissing me off more and more. I just can't let it go.

If Carl and DV didn't see anyone out there that they wanted to sign as it has been argued, why not restructure exsisting contracts to use the cap room now and have more money next year to spend?

There is only one conclusion from this....They were and are beng cheap.

And as a fan and season ticket holder to not try your best to put the best team out on the field is inexcusable and a slap in the face to the loyal fans...

this is pissing me off to no end.. Dammit Carl!

Thanks foe letting me vent. I feel much better now.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I can make the connection, I just don't agree that is the only way of getting your point across. I'll use an analogy to try and make it as clear as possible. If you have a child and you truly love that child and that kid gets involved in heavy drug use. You can still love that child heart and soul and still not agree with their actions, but you still don't give up on that child. We just need to agree to disagree because I still believe as a fan we all have the right to voice our opinions, right, wrong or indifferent. I thought thats what the whole basis of the message board was in the first place.

It may not be the only way of getting ones point across, but if you believe, that profit is the motivating factor, by definition of that word the only way to motivate the club is to affect profit...it's the logical conclusion of the premise.

Second, I reject the analogy. This is entertainment and a sport, it's not family and drug problems. -- lets try to keep this game in perspective.

I agree, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I am entitled to diagree and question that opinion and challenge the conclusions one is making. It is the whole point of the message board, and why I am here. Im naturally a contrarian and love to point out BS when I see it.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

It may not be the only way of getting ones point across, but if you believe, that profit is the motivating factor, by definition of that word the only way to motivate the club is to affect profit...it's the logical conclusion of the premise.

Second, I reject the analogy. This is entertainment and a sport, it's not family and drug problems.

I agree, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and I am entitled to diagree and question that opinion and challenge the conclusions one is making. It is the whole point of the message board, and why I am here. Im naturally a contrarian and love to point out BS when I see it.

You reject it? Still doesn't make it wrong.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Nothing like attacking someone when they ruffle your feathers. Sorry you can't be objective enough to see some of the valid points. I didn't know you were the only one entitled an opinion here. I stand by what I said and I won't stoop to your childish name-calling to get my point across. You seem to think that because I question some of the FO's motives that I should just give up on the team in the place that I live in. It's deeper than that, you can still pull for them and not believe in every move they make. Why can't you see that?

Cry me a river.

You're the one that started in with the "you said I'm not a true fan" stuff.

You're in no position to question my objectivity. Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is subjective. In fact, I'm not sure you even know what you're arguing.

The fact is, I don't like the moves the front office made either. I want McCardell. I wanted Vincent. I didn't want Gunther.

Is was you that said the team was primarily interested in making money. I NEVER said I disagree with you. I merely said you can't prove that. And you can't.

Furthermore, I showed you the ONLY way that you can affect change on the organization IF they are what you say they are -- primarily concerned with making money. Why would you be naive enough to think that a team that cares more about money than winning or their fans would listen to a guy that continues to give them money even when he's completely unhappy with the product they give them on the the field?

If anything, you're REINFORCING their greed.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I can make the connection, I just don't agree that is the only way of getting your point across. I'll use an analogy to try and make it as clear as possible. If you have a child and you truly love that child and that kid gets involved in heavy drug use. You can still love that child heart and soul and still not agree with their actions, but you still don't give up on that child. We just need to agree to disagree because I still believe as a fan we all have the right to voice our opinions, right, wrong or indifferent. I thought thats what the whole basis of the message board was in the first place.

EXCELLENT analogy.

You can have a child and truly love that child.

When that kid gets involved in drugs, and it upsets you, do you CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM MONEY so they can buy more drugs?

We're getting somewhere now.

As for the moron comment, I was wrong.

[Dartgod]

I can see an "I was insulted, I'm leaving the Planet forever" post evolving from this thread.

*Pulls up a lawn chair and cracks open a beer*

[htismaqe]

And FYI, nowhere did anybody ask you or tell you not to express your opinions.

That's why we have a message board.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

You reject it? Still doesn't make it wrong.

It's wrong because it's completely out of context...

If you want to insist on using that type of analogy, then here would be a more accurate one.

if you had a son/daughter that had a drug problem and kept borrowing money to get high, and his primary motivation to get high was the money he was receiving from you, what would be the primary way to get him to stop? stop giving him money...

this has nothing to do with 'love', 'support' or any of that horseshit...I dont understand why you cannot differentiate between logic and emotion. You're getting too wrapped up in the idea that 'not going to games = not supporting the club'

Got news for you, I havent been in KC since 1995, yet I still support the club...using your logic, how does this work?

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

I can see an "I was insulted, I'm leaving the Planet forever" post evolving from this thread.

*Pulls up a lawn chair and cracks open a beer*

Can you pass me a beer, my throat is getting dry...

[htismaqe]

A beer sounds ****ing good...I'd even drink one with BCF.

BTW, Titus, it looks like we're thinking alike on the analogy thing...

[nmt1]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

A beer sounds ****ing good...I'd even drink one with BCF.

BTW, Titus, it looks like we're thinking alike on the analogy thing...

I've been trying to ask Carl if he wants to go get a beer after work for the last couple of years but I can't get through Bob Moore. I'm starting to think this being on the payroll thing isn't worth it.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

EXCELLENT analogy.

You can have a child and truly love that child.

When that kid gets involved in drugs, and it upsets you, do you CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM MONEY so they can buy more drugs?

We're getting somewhere now.

As for the moron comment, I was wrong.

I appreciate you saying you were wrong for that comment. I really do. It shows you can be fair and objective.

You make a good point with the analogy. No you shouldn't continue to give them money but you should remain supportive. I look at it this way with the Chiefs...I'm hooked. Plain and simple. I've been biten by the bug and I couldn't pry myself away from the Chiefs if I tried, however it disappoints me when I don't think they are giving their all. IF we do indeed have the $6 million in cap room and we had one of the worst defenses in the league and they only go after a back-up DT, then I have to draw the conclusion that they aren't giving it their all. It's give and take and I expect the absolute best product they can deliver. That includes doing everything in their power to put the team over the top, which includes going after premeir players and spending money. IF they spent up to the cap, then that's good enough for me, but I have the distinct feeling that isn't the case based on several reports to the contrary.

Some will read what I have said in previous posts on this thread and think that I'm anti-Chiefs. I'm not, I just want the best for the fans ,myself included and the best is delivering the Lombardi Trophy to one Arrowhead Drive.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

I can see an "I was insulted, I'm leaving the Planet forever" post evolving from this thread.

*Pulls up a lawn chair and cracks open a beer*

I'm thicker-skinned than that. BCF may or may not be wrong, but getting into debates is what makes this place great. (Did I just refer to myself in the third person?)

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

It's wrong because it's completely out of context...

If you want to insist on using that type of analogy, then here would be a more accurate one.

if you had a son/daughter that had a drug problem and kept borrowing money to get high, and his primary motivation to get high was the money he was receiving from you, what would be the primary way to get him to stop? stop giving him money...

this has nothing to do with 'love', 'support' or any of that horseshit...I dont understand why you cannot differentiate between logic and emotion. You're getting too wrapped up in the idea that 'not going to games = not supporting the club'

Got news for you, I havent been in KC since 1995, yet I still support the club...using your logic, how does this work?

The point I was trying to make is you support them through thick and thin. I'm not a bandwagon fan, I just want to win it all. If Several thousands of people stopped going to the games and there were several thousand empty seats it would hurt their bottomline, But I'm of the opinion that by being supportive(buying tickets, merchandise, ect) you help the team make more money thus allowing them to pursue the FAs we covet. It's kind of like not voting and then bitching about the president. You see when you do vote(or support the team) you have more of a leg to stand on when you are disappointed in the end results. Just my two cents.

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

No one said you had to stop being a fan...you're overreacting and now pot shots...I thought you didnt appreciate that tactic.

If you believe profit is the only thing this franchise understands, you can only affect their decision making if you do one simple thing...affect their profits.

Good Lord, why do people have to go off the deep end on this stuff.

I have been of the opinion, that the NFL owners conspire secretly to determine which teams are in the top, middle, and lower tier. Each owner accepts their role dutifully knowing in advance that that tier is best suited for their fan base.

If you don't believe me, take baseball. If the Cubs won a world series it would shrink their fan base.

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[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Can you pass me a beer, my throat is getting dry...

After this discussion I think Jagr shots are more in order.