Video Games Fallout 3 - Page 50

**Fire Me Boy!** · 06-06-2008, 11:37 AM

Sorry if it's a repost, but I'm seeing a lot of talk about this... thought we might centralize the discussion.

This makes me excited.

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During a March 21, 2008 Official Xbox Magazine podcast interview, Todd Howard revealed that the game had expanded to nearly the same scope as Oblivion. There were 500 versions of the final cutscene, but due to recent upgrades, there are now over 10,000 different versions, which was determined by all of the actions taken by the player.

**J Diddy** · 01-30-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Call of Duty with Fallout's poor FPS mechanics and broken VATS system? Yeah, that's why I'm not buying it. The appeal of the game is the open world and exploration; the fighting mechanics in the game are one of it's greatest flaws.

what are you talking about? Vats is freaking awesome, I used it primarily, so I wouldn't know much about the comparison to FPS, as I tend to stay away from them.

Basileus777 · 01-30-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

what are you talking about? Vats is freaking awesome, I used it primarily, so I wouldn't know much about the comparison to FPS, as I tend to stay away from them.

It's okay until you reach a decent level and get a 95% chance to headshot every enemy. Then VATS consists of walking up to an enemy and queuing up headshots. It requires no strategy and has no depth.

**J Diddy** · 01-30-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

It's okay until you reach a decent level and get a 95% chance to headshot every enemy. Then VATS consists of walking up to an enemy and queuing up headshots. It requires no strategy and has no depth.

What do you think they should have done differently?

HC_Chief · 01-30-2009, 04:35 PM

I am in DC on business... went to the National Mall today and walked around.

"There was a mutant bunker there, and Brotherhood Stronghold there, and burnt-out bridge there and..."

Fairplay · 01-30-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

It's okay until you reach a decent level and get a 95% chance to headshot every enemy. Then VATS consists of walking up to an enemy and queuing up headshots. It requires no strategy and has no depth.

Simple answer to people who have a problem with VATS.

Don't use it if you don't like it. Shoot like regular.

Frazod · 01-30-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Go back to your autosave.

It was weeks ago when I did that, and I did long before I came across the quantum quest. It wasn't worth going back at that point.

Basileus777 · 01-30-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay

Simple answer to people who have a problem with VATS.

Don't use it if you don't like it. Shoot like regular.

Joke post? I sure hope so. Fallout 3's FPS mechanics are god awful. You'd have to be a masochist to do that.

Hammock Parties · 01-30-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Joke post? I sure hope so. Fallout 3's FPS mechanics are god awful. You'd have to be a masochist to do that.

They work fine for me. Of course, if you're on a console, well, sucks to be you.

And if you're a low-level character your aim is going to be off. The bullets aren't going to go where the crosshair is pointed every time. I don't see that as a mechanical problem. That's the nature of a skills-based game.

Basileus777 · 01-30-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

They work fine for me. Of course, if you're on a console, well, sucks to be you.

And if you're a low-level character your aim is going to be off. The bullets aren't going to go where the crosshair is pointed every time. I don't see that as a mechanical problem. That's the nature of a skills-based game.

I know why it works the way it does, I'm just saying it's a poor combat system. The FPS mechanics are poorly done and the VATS system is completely broken at any decent level. Combat was pretty mediocre in Morrowind and Oblivion, but trying to force gunplay into that engine just made it worse.

Hammock Parties · 01-30-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

I know why it works the way it does, I'm just saying it's a poor combat system. The FPS mechanics are poorly done and the VATS system is completely broken at any decent level. Combat was pretty mediocre in Morrowind and Oblivion, but trying to force gunplay into that engine just made it worse.

Are you on a PC?

I enjoy the combat in Fallout moreso than Oblivion. It's not even close. I don't really use VATS unless I feel like I want a little sideshow once in awhile.

Fairplay · 01-30-2009, 09:08 PM

I like sniping from far away. You can do that pretty good without vats.

Terrible shotgun for close ups and chinese rifle for all purpose.

Again, all can be used without VATS.

Maybe the PC makes the aiming easier to use.

I don't think i could do the other systems hand held devices and have good control.

keg in kc · 01-31-2009, 11:10 AM

I'm a fan of the gauss rifle, but it's like playing the game on easy mode.

I enjoyed operation anchorage. It was challenging at times going through it around level 5 without using the rest of the strike team. What was really challenging was surviving the encounter with all the outcasts after it was over, and keeping the protector and specialist alive, me being level 6 or 7.

**J Diddy** · 01-31-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairplay

I like sniping from far away. You can do that pretty good without vats.

Terrible shotgun for close ups and chinese rifle for all purpose.

Again, all can be used without VATS.

Maybe the PC makes the aiming easier to use.

I don't think i could do the other systems hand held devices and have good control.

If I got one bitch about vats is that when using a sniper rifle you should have a significantly improved percentage of hits versus a 10mm pistol. But you don't.

Fairplay · 02-02-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

If I got one bitch about vats is that when using a sniper rifle you should have a significantly improved percentage of hits versus a 10mm pistol. But you don't.

This time when i went through Raven Rock, i kept everything, all the great heavy armor, weapons. You just get so much. I inched my way out of there with over 1400 lbs. of goodies.

Frazod · 02-04-2009, 01:12 AM

Well, I just found what must be the most kick-ass weapon in the game - located deep within the Deathclaw Sanctuary is a unique gatling laser called "Vengeance." Damage is allegedly 100, but my big gun skill is really low. I'll definitely be building that up.

Still tore the shit out of the deathclaws.

And remember, your hired sidekick will occasionally drop weapons, so I would think twice about passing it over to him/her unless you check on his/her inventory frequently.

01-30-2009, 04:35 PM	#739
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	I am in DC on business... went to the National Mall today and walked around. "There was a mutant bunker there, and Brotherhood Stronghold there, and burnt-out bridge there and..."
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01-30-2009, 09:08 PM	#746
Fairplay A certain set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: texas Casino cash: $10026683 VARSITY	I like sniping from far away. You can do that pretty good without vats. Terrible shotgun for close ups and chinese rifle for all purpose. Again, all can be used without VATS. Maybe the PC makes the aiming easier to use. I don't think i could do the other systems hand held devices and have good control.
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01-31-2009, 11:10 AM	#747
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I'm a fan of the gauss rifle, but it's like playing the game on easy mode. I enjoyed operation anchorage. It was challenging at times going through it around level 5 without using the rest of the strike team. What was really challenging was surviving the encounter with all the outcasts after it was over, and keeping the protector and specialist alive, me being level 6 or 7.
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02-04-2009, 01:12 AM	#750
Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2795085	Well, I just found what must be the most kick-ass weapon in the game - located deep within the Deathclaw Sanctuary is a unique gatling laser called "Vengeance." Damage is allegedly 100, but my big gun skill is really low. I'll definitely be building that up. Still tore the shit out of the deathclaws. And remember, your hired sidekick will occasionally drop weapons, so I would think twice about passing it over to him/her unless you check on his/her inventory frequently.
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