Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Talk about 360. He was being pretty cool until the second round, then he went back to being a ratard.

Draft time is when he channels his true tard because he likes to be annoying to the posters he doesn't personally like.

It's funny and reeruned all at once.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't mind debating picks with other fans of the team but really the last thing anyone around here needs is JPB protecting Pioli like he's the baby Jesus, the act is old man.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

When he speaks, I picture Snow singing informer, like he's just gotta let us know about Pioli being the shit.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Draft time is when he channels his true tard because he likes to be annoying to the posters he doesn't personally like.

It's funny and reeruned all at once.

I wasn't there and I don't really care but you post like you're in a vacum. You don't think he'll read this? And if you don't care then...no...this is passive aggressive......after most folks have gone to bed? Honestly you do have so much more to offer then that. But you fuk it up...It's O.k. to be smart ...but not at the expense of being stupid! Wait...What? LOL


PhilFree

[Mecca]

Do you think I care if he reads it?

Hootie doesn't personally like me, me on the other hand it's a damn forum, it's not life. Hell I get busy and don't post for a couple weeks and I get a thread about where I'm at.

And yes I can logically talk about any player the Chiefs drafted, I never once had a fit or said the guys sucked ass.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Do you think I care if he reads it?

Hootie doesn't personally like me, me on the other hand it's a damn forum, it's not life. Hell I get busy and don't post for a couple weeks and I get a thread about where I'm at.

And yes I can logically talk about any player the Chiefs drafted, I never once had a fit or said the guys sucked ass.

I'm not sure about all that but O.K....Give me an earnest evaluation of McCluster...No shit..I value your opinion. I read alot more then I post..so.

PhilFree

[Mecca]

Look now I don't think he sucks. He's a hybrid guy who doesn't have a real position, I figured he was a somewhere between a 2nd or 3rd round prospect that would go to a good team looking for a toy.

I'm sure he'll have a nice year here and put up some big plays and fans will like him, like I said as a straight up player I have no issues with him.

My only real critical aspect of the pick is, how much does a shiny toy help when you don't have the basics covered?

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Look now I don't think he sucks. He's a hybrid guy who doesn't have a real position, I figured he was a somewhere between a 2nd or 3rd round prospect that would go to a good team looking for a toy.

I'm sure he'll have a nice year here and put up some big plays and fans will like him, like I said as a straight up player I have no issues with him.

My only real critical aspect of the pick is, how much does a shiny toy help when you don't have the basics covered?

Fair enough. My next question is Do you think there were really the players available at #36 to pass on such a playmaker? Could the players we could have drafted to cover the basics really provided more then a playmkaer like McCluster? McCluster wasn't somone I thought we'd pick so I'm not even saying he was my pick. But to me the OLBs that we needed were already gone. The NTs are all suspect....So what's your take on that?

PhilFree

[Mecca]

Well firstly every single NT prospect will have flaws, it's hard to be a perfect prospect when being a big fat lazy ass is part of the job description.

But it could be pretty easily argued that guys like Kindle, Misi, Washington etc would mean more to a team in our position.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well firstly every single NT prospect will have flaws, it's hard to be a perfect prospect when being a big fat lazy ass is part of the job description.

But it could be pretty easily argued that guys like Kindle, Misi, Washington etc would mean more to a team in our position.

If Misi made it to #50 and we took him that would have fit my thoughts. I thought he would last that long even with all the 3-4 teams. Kindle is a wait and see because of his knee. For his prototypical size his production wasn't as good as I would want either. Washington..ILB... meh.

PhilFree

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wrong, Frank.

His injury concerns weren't known to FANS until right before the draft.

And every report I read is that only ONE team believes he needs microfracture surgery.

Kindle missed how many games in college? Moeaki?

the issue with injuries in college isnt how many games they missed in the past as much as how the injuries will effect how many games that player might miss in the future.

Moeaki had broken bones, not ligament damage.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

True.

I'm sorry, but the specter of a dog shit QB looms large over this franchise, and I admit that it clouds my perception and potential optimism.

you arent alone on that.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And I've given him credit for the moves I think he deserves credit for.

Chambers fell into his lap. I'm not going to give him credit for picking a guy up on waivers because the two teams ahead of him passed. It was a no-brainer and worked out for 2009. I personally don't expect the same level of production in 2010, but I hope I'm wrong.

TJ was a good signing for the money. But he's not a long-term solution.

I hope the Lilja signing works out, but I'm concerned about his knees, and that we're apparently going to play him out of position.

I've done nothing but praise the selections of Berry an Asomoah all weekend.

You know where I stand on McCluster.

If I remember correctly, you wanted no part of us even claiming Chambers at the time because of the cost involved, same with Thomas Jones.

Am I remembering correctly or should I look it up?

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well firstly every single NT prospect will have flaws, it's hard to be a perfect prospect when being a big fat lazy ass is part of the job description.

But it could be pretty easily argued that guys like Kindle, Misi, Washington etc would mean more to a team in our position.

there is a difference between fat and lazy.

...

I would MUCH rather have Dexter over any of those guys TBH.

If Orakpo didn't kick every ass he faced in his rookie year (like he did in college at Texas) Kindle wouldn't be thought of so highly IMO, the guy is a terrible run defender and is a highly under-productive sack artist. Add to that his injury problem that could cause him to loose what might be looked at as his biggest strength and what you have is a boom or bust guy with a low ceiling IMO.

**** KINDLE at 36, I would have been pissed if we took him TBH

[Saccopoo]

Excellent points Boss. I will disagree a bit with Kindle. He had a situation with his knees that had some teams taking him off the board altogether, but some teams having no problem with it. It's one of those situations. He could require microfracture surgery in four years, or never have a problem his entire life, even after playing a decade in the NFL. To me, it should have been worth the pick in the second. He showed the ability to rush and drop back in coverage.

Yes, a guy like Misi, once he dropped the DE college weight, was just as athletic, but he was never asked to do that in college. Potential versus production.

A close call between the two, and one that should have been considered by the Chiefs at that point.

McCluster was lasting no longer than the second round based on his extensive big play abilities, and it's really not a bad pick as they had a definite need at the slot and if they can give him the secret weaon treatment and he actually pans out in that regard, he'll be a fine pick.

In actuality, I don't think that either Misi or Kindle was that high on the Chiefs board. They brought back Vrabel and Hali was pretty darn productive. You don't draft a backup in the second round, and both Kindle and Misi were going to be that for the Chiefs at that point.

[Mecca]

Them actually starting Mike Vrabel is really sad.

[BossChief]

Im sure Ill get flamed again for this but I am actually quite happy that we have a situation like the one we have with Studabaker. His workout times were as good as any guy at the combine last year or this and he has been under the wing of one of the best linebacker to play in this system in the last decade or two to learn the intricacies of the position.

I think that when he is ready and takes over the spot, he will be a "unexpected star" of sorts and will seemingly "come out of nowhere" when in essence he has been part of (brace yourself) "the process"

To me, signing Vrabel to a 1 year deal was a sign that read something like "we really like Studabaker, but we feel he isn't quite "there" yet and we would like to see him learn some more from "our guy" while we can, because we feel the kid has a long term future here.

[Saccopoo]

Studebaker is a tomato can in this system.

A complete tweener who lacks the speed to either rush the passer or drop back in coverage on the outside.

I like his hustle on special teams, but I'd rather see him inside versus outside at this point. He's got the size and burst to be effective as a mike in a 3-4. I don't think he's got the skill set to be effective on the exterior.